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This is the kind of people we see on the streets every night now. Very depressing.
 

I particularly liked the commentator adding to the whole thing. What a gent.

I give up, this country is really going to the dogs. Hopefully I'll be following DC, though about 150 miles south, and away from here.
 

St Kitts and Nevis: This recalls to mind a day when I was on my first big adventure - a 1 month holiday in Trinidad & Tobago aged 20.

During week 1 Malcolm X was hanged (anyone remember him?) at the Port of Spain prison. Since we, in the UK, had abolished the death sentence, and since T&T was and remains a member of the Commonwealth, I asked my hosts "How can this happen?"

The answer I was given was, 'it cannot, until after the UK Privy Council approves the sentence'.

I was shocked, but did not object to the headlines the next day.

Any QCs out there wish to comment?
 

I always wondered why it was called 'liveleak'.
 

Wasn't that Channel 4's Culture and Lifestyle spokesperson and her entourage? Either way they've just confirmed that the country hasn't `gone to the dogs`,its the `dogs who've come to the country`.
 

Last week I caught a guy taking a crap in the High St. 4 in the morning with the stragglers of the night time economy walking by. £80 fine issued along with a pair gloves to pick his feces up. He only had a 5 minute walk left to his house.
 

Do my eyes deceive me or is she holding a flower? If only the gent that handed her that could see this (then again it probably wouldn't make any difference!)
 

What a Dirty, dirty whore. I swear, i honest wish people had more respect for themselves and others.

No doubt, this is NOT the first or last time she will do this.

This is what happens when the country is going to rat-shit.

Peckham PC
 

she is disgusting scum and what a pity she is unrecognisable and will therefore go unpunished as per usual in this country.
 

* You will care when someone takes you to the high court for it... they may even use your blog as evidence.
 

A few years back I went to a wedding in Northampton and we stayed at a hotel slap in the middle of the clubbing zone. When I went out to the hotel car park at midnight the streets were steaming from all the blokes urinating - and in the hotel car park every other car seemed to have a girl squatting behind it. I suppose they were at least making some attempt at privacy.
 

Insp Morse
Ther is a rumour that in the late 1970s a nigerian sailor was caught shoplifting in the UK. He got caution from the Police but his punishment when he got back on board was to be hung from the yard arm.
The best cure for a 'piddler' is to pull them over backwards
 

Although to be honest this absolute abhorence about public uriniation is a British thing. Whilst resident in the Netherland it was quite common to see peple pee in public. Nobody batted an eyelid.

In fact, not wishing to be undelicate I caught food posioning from a restaurant one lunch time. I got off the train around 22:30 that night, which had no toilet at the next station. The diarreah was building pretty quickly. No toilet at the station. Down to the pub at the end, and things are getting desperate. I offered the landlady £20 to use her toilet but she refused when I said "I'm busting" she said "Tough, bust". I then started to walk up the road before squatting down at the side and letting my poison out. A few minutes later the same thing. I wondered if I would've been arrested had a patrol car turned up ? I really hoped not because I became so ill I would've devastated the patrol car. Finally found a taxi driver who took me to a public toilet, I stank. Public toilet locked. Had to go outside. He then took me back home (some 30 mins away) and I gave him £100. So out of interest. Had I of been arrested would I be prosecuted ? Or let off ?
 

Women are the guardians of morals in any civilised society? Probably.

Is Peckham PC a woman? I doubt it.
People who pee in the street because they have drunk too much and have lost their inhibitions, along with their self respect are just MINGING, be they male or female.

But to call a woman a "dirty whore" for that? Get a life.
 

You seem to put forth the idea that it's a *good thing* to bring back capital punishment.

This is never the case.
 

women as gaudians of morals - mostly it used to be the priests.
You might remember them.
 

@Anonymous (can't people actually use names in blogcomments?!):
Priests and other deluded people have never been guardians of morals; they're just very good at conning you into thinking they are.
In Japan, public urination is a crime, but drunk businessmen do it all the time. They also puke in trains and fall asleep in public. Nothing changes because they are never prosecuted. If you want some real action to tackle the problem, you need stiff, effective punishments.
 

A lady would never do that !
 

Except for Paula Radcliffe, perhaps?

Sometimes, bodily functions are not controllable. Do we call incontinent people, or people with a stomach upset dirty whores as well?

I've puked on a train platform once. It was involuntary. A person can't be held responsible for things they can't control.
 

There is a world of difference between a woman pushing herself to the limits of human endurance by running a marathon, as Pauls was, and some drunken skank urinating in the middle of the street. I'd have more sympathy for your view if she had at least tried to find a bush.

In response to the guy asking about what happens if you're genuinely caught short, you would need to produce medical evidence I suspect. If your episode was entirely involuntary, I think you'd be fine.

If people are old enough to go to pubs and buy drink, they are old enough to use the lavatory and if they don't do so they face the consequences. For goodness' sake, we need limits.
 

Not only is she scum, but listen to the idiot in the background. "look at that bitch" "hey niggers, that hoe pissed in the street man"

This country is truly lost to the animals!
 

Much as this is not very dignified or ladylike (She should at least of found somewhere out of sight...), is it the crime of the century?

I'd much prefer the police getting worked up about smackheads burgling houses and thugs beating people up, but oh no; it some drunken bint pishing in the street that gets them mad!
 

Where does anyone say it's the crime of the century, Hibbo?
It's just indicative of the kind of country we're becoming.
There's a very obvious link between the kind of people you'd like discussing more - burglars, violent thugs (because we never discuss them on here, right?) - and this woman.
You troll, sorry read, this blog enough to know that people also get plenty worked up enough about the other stuff you're on about.
 

Time to change the record or go elsewhere, Hibbo.
You've made your point - ad nauseam, and to the point where you are starting to thieve oxygen.
In future, any comments to the effect that 'the police only chase easy targets/don't care about burglars etc etc' will be deleted (when we get round to it) because it's becoming terribly boring.
Feel free to contribute constructively - otherwise, sling your hook.
Cheers
TCT
 

Steve L, I do not 'troll', and I comment as I do because I am deeply concerned about the future of our country.

Coppersblog Team,

Fair enough, it's your blog. It is possible to have an open and frank debate on some blogs (including some police ones), but you have made it clear on here that expressing concern or commenting other than "I love the police" is not acceptable.

Just be careful you don't end up with nothing more than a Daily Heil rant board and self-congratulatory police-only blog.

Consider my hook slung.

Cheers.
 

Hibbo:

I disagree. I've made some pretty harsh comments about the police and they've always been posted. I think it's a very open blog and has accepted everyone.

In fact it's very good to get a "behind the scenes" response to things that you see the old bill do that look incredulous to most middle class citizens.

I guess the slightly scary thing is that they look incredulous to the old bill doing it too.
 

What a skanky minger. She could have at least found a bush to go behind. Bet she went to the chip shop after having a pee, picked up another minger (male) and did the dirty with him at the bus stop. Disgusting behaviour.
 

Men have always peed in the street when drunk. I imagine the only reason they face a wall or tree is so that people won't laugh and point at their dangly little waterspouts. Why it comes as any surprise that women also need to void after a night of drinking too, the same drinking that has released them from the constraints of privacy and good taste that it does men, is a mystery to me.

The fact that women have chosen to ape the worst rather than the best qualities of the now-almost-redundant sex is what I find depressing.
 

No-one has a problem with criticism of the Old Bill, Hibbo; we let loads of critical stuff get posted up and in fact, this whole blog is and always has been critical of the police, in many ways (though this may have escaped you).
What we do have a problem with is pub bores, of the type who corner you and keep jabbing their finger into your chest while making exactly the same point over and over and over again*.
Your typical modus operandi is to take an example and twist it in such a way as to enable you, usually illogically, repeat your (very) oft-made point that the police 'only want to go after easy targets'.
This would be fine, if you were making the point on official police blogs or sites where the going-after of easy targets is approved of.
But Dave Copperfield and 99% of the people - whether police or not - who read this blog never wanted the police to go after easy targets in the first place and would like them to stop going after them now; that is the whole point, you dummy, and all you are doing is boring the converted.
Thus, your point, as well as being horribily repetitive, is completely redundant.
Hence, our request - after months of listening to you - that you change the record, or do one.

*To an extent, we're guilty of this, of course - but it's the fact that you are missing the point we are making so repeatedly that is at issue.
 

WELFARE STATE
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CONTRACEPTIVE/ABORTIVE CULTURE
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STATE EDUCATION
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SOCIAL LIBERALISM
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ATHEISM
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SOCIAL DISASTER
 

I enjoy this blog immensely; And have done for a long time. I want to put that on record nice and early so I don't look like a completely ignorant newbie who is posting to try and snipe at the blog.

The enjoyment of this blog for me is largely centred around the vibrant debates, even sometimes arguments and the way that these are not only tolerated but actively encouraged between police and non-police alike. If you look back at the posts over the last year there are plenty of examples of posts no more disagreeable than Hippo's being published and prompting a discussion.

Police get very few chances to discuss issues without needing to think through every comment to screen out anything which deviates from the often suffocating official line for fear of being branded off-message. This blog gives us a chance to do that and I relish the occasions when I feel I can contribute to it.

I imagined people were free to make comments without being criticised for daring to do so, and furthermore that if the poster is non-police that they deserve even more leeway because they cannot be expected to know every aspect of policing culture, policy or history. Similarly I would lack much refinement to my arguments if I tried to debate the flaws within their professions.

To brand someone a 'pub bore' for making a point is just not necessary in my book and I was genuinely saddened to see it done. Ultimately it is your blog and you can do as you wish, but I would hope this was a spur of the moment lack of judgement rather than the new way I can expect to see differing opinions treated...

After all, if the divided line is between 'pub bores' and internet boors, I know which side of it I would rather stand on.
 

Sorry anon 12.43pm, but call a spade a spade - Hibbo is a pub bore, and I am with the CT on this one.

Yep, theres plenty of examples of posts no more disagreeable than Hippo's being published - there are also plenty of example of Hibbo's views being posted! And of him making the same point, time and time and time again yawn zzz zzz zzz

It's like, give it a rest mate!

All he has to do is be constructive - I can't see that that's too much to ask?
 

Is PC Copperfield under the impression that young women urinating/vomitting on the streets is a problem unique to the UK? Its the same in the US, and France, Canada, Germany, Spain. That does not excuse it, but it is not proof that somehow Britain has 'gone to the dogs', whatever that daft phrase means. A lot of people seem to be under the impression that binge drinking (and the disgusting effects of it) only happens in the UK. It doesn't. I've been around the world, and I can say that with certainty.
 

I've been around the world, too, Bill.

You're right that in lots of places the standards of behaviour are a lot worse.

However, 'it's worse (or as bad) in other places' is a pretty poor argument. (Not least because British readers don't live in 'other places', we live here - and because, in any case, it's also better in other places, places we should emulate).

The question is, was Britain as culturally, intellectually, morally and spiritually as empty, vapid and repellent in the past as it is now?

Way back, it probably was, but standards of behaviour - and I think this is a discussion about standards generally, and not isolated cases of women urinating in the street - have declined dramatically in the last 40 to 50 years.

What this blog does - with others - is try to hold the line, maybe even push it back a little.

It's to be applauded for that, I feel.
 

Come to Canada love, try doing that in the street when it's -40C. You'll be frozen to the tarmac until May.

You're right about the pond life not trying their silly antics in Singapore though. A $5000 fine for taking a leak in the street would likely make the skankiest skank think twice about dropping their pants.
 

Yes I know that 'it happens everywhere' is no excuse for this sort of behaviour. It just frustrates me that people seem to use clips like this to somehow prove a point that Britain is in a state of degeneration, or whatever phrase you choose to use. You could just as easily pull up a similar clip from Canada, or the USA - i've lived in both countries so I can say that with certainty. My point is, some of the things on this blog (this post especially) just seem to be about slagging off the UK. I understand that the website was originally about police efficiency - so why is it now merely a shop window to pick and choose selective clips to show our supposed decline?

Do we judge an entire country because of a minority of slappers who behave like that in public? My problem is that the British public (and media) seem to believe that binge drinking, and these sort of effects, only occur here, and that it is some sort of British disease. It's not, and they occur everywhere (well yes, not singapore, or Riyadh, but you get my point - North America, Australia, Europe). That does not excuse them, but the fact that these things occur everywhere can hardly serve as proof that the UK is losing its morals, or crossing a line, or going to the dogs, or however people choose to phrase it as.
 

Thansk for your response Bill.
I guess what I'm saying is, given that nothing ever stays 'the same' for long (ie a decade or more), it follows that things must change, either for the better or the worse.
Personally, I think things are changing for the worse.
If you disagree, what evidence do you have?
Here's some from me: if you take crime, just the INCREASE in recorded crime in Britain between 1990 and 1991 was greater than the total of ALL recorded crime in 1950.
Things are worse still now than they were in 1991, too.
You were safer on the streets of this country in 1950 than you are now, period. Women didn't urinate on the white lines, either. Are these things connected? I agree with Copperfield that they are. He could be wrong, I just don't think he is.
Also, to be honest, no, I don't get your point about Riyadh or Singapore - especially in the case of the latter. What is your point? I was in Singapore recently, I went to a couple of bars, had some beers, and I walked the streets back to my hotel at 1am or later with no sense whatsoever of threat.
By contrast, if you walk the streets of Oxford after about 9pm it makes really good sense to avoid eye contact with people!
 

my fourpennorth:

are things getting worse in the UK? absolutely, as anyone with eyes can see

is this woman a revolting example of modernity? yep

is this the appropriate place to discuss it? er, given that she's committing a crime and exmplifies the decline of behaviour and the increase in crime, of course it is.

carry on.
 

hey Bill

Where did you get the idea of this blog being originally about police efficiency? It's always been full of stuff about crime, policing, social stuff etc.

In the very early days when dave started it there were no links to youtube etc because youtube didn't exist!

BTW I don't think this vid was put up by Dave (The Coppersblog team did it, whoever they are) but I'm sure he approves of the general feelings behind it etc!

ie this woman is scum, she's like the scum we deal with every day and people like her need dealing with before the wheels really come off!

Hope all well in that there Canada Stu!

Burton on Trent, 2008.
 

How utterly horrible.

Can I ask, and sorry if I sound naive, do police readers seriously see a lot of people like this?
 

This is why I'm out of this country when I retire, this is every night in every town, as for women being morale guardians?? a sweeping statement and certainly not true, there are virtuous people and there are the rest, gender has no part to play. Sums this toliet of a country up, morally bankrupt.
 

Sad to say that many years ago I was caught short after a few daytime drinkies and decided to discretly relieve myself against an anonymous wall.
A Police Officer approached and somewhat angrily demanded " What the bloody hell do you think you're doing ( in a Welsh accent ) pissing up against this wall ? It's MY wall, I bloody well live here "
( Kentish Town Police House, as was ).

Oops !
 

Off topic, but the Coppersblog team may (or may not) be interested in this video taken at the Jan 3rd Gaza demo in London (the one George Galloway complained about police behaviour at).

I think the guy at 2:56 is shouting "Run you cowards ! Kuffar! Run you kuff! Allahu Akbar!"
 

I think laban meant to post a link to this video... 'British Police backing away from violent "Allah Akhbar" Screaming Muslim Protesters.....'

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a30_1231817826

I would genuinely like an explanation of what was going on.
Were they luring the crowd to a safer position at which to engage them, or were they running scared?
 

anonymous at 8.28 summed my problem with articles like this, referring to 'this toilet of a country'. go to france, you'll see the same behaviour. or USA. spain. canada. germany. i've been to these places, and i've seen it. people who think that this behaviour is unique to the UK are just plain wrong, and they are in denial.

My point about singapore, riyadh etc. was that these places are not like the west. they are not exactly 'free' socities. yes we all marvel at the urban beauty of singapore, but its a glorified american shopping mall, a hell hole of modernity, and the laws are stricter than almost anywhere on earth.

the sort of people who feel that britain has become like a toilet, or whatever daft phrase you like, are really just the moaning classes. they moan in england so they seek a new life abroad. where they moan all over again cos its too hot, or too cold, or these foreigners eat funny foods. these people do not really think of britain as a country in decline, they look at the past through rose-tinted glasses and pass down myths of the glorious past as though they were fact. they see what they want to see in todays world, and miss no chance to put down the UK at the expense of some supposedly better country, (often NZ, canada or Aus) which in reality is no better or no worse. these people are often really just upset at the nature of change, which is natural, and always happens. they are often tory voters, and their real agenda is that they are upset at the generation of labour under blair and brown. sadly the tabloids cater to this generation (often cos they live abroad, yet still buy the tabloids) and feed their myths and lies about decline and degeneration.
 

mickfly - no, they weren't running scared, they were instructed to use the tactic of trying to put a cordon in, sprint ahead and put another one in which is trained (in addition to withdrawing through our own lines from a different type of cordon) if it wasn't they would have been over run and a there would have been a considerable number of casualties. It also happened quickly within minutes of stepping of Trafalgar Square and wasn't expected. It did give the backup serials enough time to get around the march to put in a fully kitted up cordon so as soon as they got to the tsg they were controlled. As a direct consequence of that incident and how it looked on tv (and youtube/liveleak etc) they changed the tactic the following week and it was decided that if they tried to over run the cordon again that we should just split and let them run off as we had a huge number of serials ready well ahead of the march to engage them if they tried it.
 

Just so as we know then, Bill - you have no evidence for what you say, it's just a magnificent sweep of your arm and a nod, and all's well with Britain? I thought so.

And it's just 'moaning', is it, to point out that the mere INCREASE in crime 1990-91 was more than ALL recorded crime in 1950? That's a fact, you see.

I've been to all the places you mention and I have never seen behaviour of the sort you mention.

I lived in New York for three years, Chicago for two and San Francisco for 18 mths. I never saw this happen in any of those places.

In fact, if it's lists of places you're after, I have lived in or visited for longer than three months at a time: Iraq, Bahrain, Saudi, Mexico, Belize, Slovakia, South Africa, Botswana, Chad, Algeria, Egypt and, oddly, Belgium and I've not seen any of it in any of those places, either.

I could name 50 countries I have visited for days or weeks, and the casual, wanton, thuggish low-lifery that you see every day in Britain now - given where we came from - is not replicated anywhere.

And Singapore is not a vast US shopping mall. What on earth gives you that idea?

We'll never agree. One day, probably as they're kicking down your door, you'll realise the truth.

Out.
 

Bill
You are rather typical of a growing trend - mainly, if I may say so, on the left - which is to deny the obvious evidence of one's own eyes and daily experience, and claim that all talk of Britain going down the tubes is a conspiracy of lies got up by the media. As far as I can see, the only people who would want to do this and to defend the record of this truly appalling government, are millionaires, who have prospered under Labour, and Labour party employees. So which are you.
This country is almost unrecognisable from that in which I was born in 1967, and will only change for the worse as the years drag on (unless those of us with truth as our guide try to stop the seemingly inexorable process).
As it happens, I think a lot of this started under the Tories (Heath, particularly, but Thatcher also) and I live in Emgland, not Spain.
I'm not a 'moaner' - unless seeing that something is wrong and desiring to improve it is 'moaning'.
 

The behaviour of the young lady in the video was reprehensible, and can in no way be excused. The fact that the girls now seem to be competing with the boys to somehow outdo them in displays of yobbish behaviour is very worrying indeed. Clearly for the individual who saw fit to video the act of urination, it was unusual and somewhat shocking, why else would he have got so excited? his language revealed he too, was from the gutter classes (don't bother writing in and calling me a snob it won't change my view)anyone who thinks nothing of shouting out profanities in such a manner accompanied by the chasing of the woman concerned deserves no respect from me.
Britain certainly is undergoing a downturn in many respects not just economic. I fear for my grandchildren, they do not have the luxury I do, of living in peace in another country. They will have to attend the failing schools in a fadish political system where teachers are afraid to physically touch those children who misbehave for fear of prosecution, ( even to the point of being assaulted them selves)they will have to endure the crassness of a corrupt political establishment (Whitehall to Town Hall)with all its pettiness aimed at the easy to reach law abiding citizens whilst protecting and promoting those who would undermine what those of my generation regard as civilized behaviour.
I note that numerous individuals say that they will leave the country once they have completed their service, I commend it to them I did, retired on the Monday, left the country on the Tuesday and have never looked back.

Jurgen
 

Rome, 410AD

Randomus Punterus, a random punter, and Billus Buchananus, manufacturer of new clothes for the Holy Roman Emperor, sit in the Forum, chewing the fat.

Randomus Punterus: I tell you what, Billus, I don't like the way things are going lately.

Billus Buchananus (sitting back, chomping grapes and generally regarding the world with the smug and self-satisfied air of the truly unimaginative): Why?

Randomus Punterus: I dunno, things have just been going downhill for a while.

Billus Buchananus: Nonsense. It's all got up by the conservativus medii, you know. Why are you always moaning. Anyway, look, it's always been like this. Those stories of the Rome of old? All lies emanating from the conservativatum. It was no better here in the old days, and we never had much of an empire anyway, and our culture is not superior to any other. Virgil and Ovis are intrinsically no better than Ugg and Bugg. And things are the same everywhere, my friend. As you know, I am a well-travelled and worldy-wise fellow - I don't liken to talk about it much, but I may have mentioned the fact? Anyway, only last year I found myself in Novo Eboraco and there I saw...

Randomus Punterus: Hmmm... Hey, who are they?

Billus Buchananus: Who?

Randomus Punterus: Those scummers over there. They're heading this way. I'm not sure about them.

Billus Buchananus: Where? I think you're imagining things.

Anotherus Romanus (running past with wild look of terror in eyes): Run for your lives! It's the Visigoths!

Billus Buchananus: Pah! There are no Visigoths. Why, only yesterday I read an article in Guardianus which said, quite clearly, that they were all a lie cooked up by the tabloidii to sell papyrus.

Exit Randomus Punterus, at high speed.

Enter Visigoth, bearing a sword.

Billus Buchananus (disdainfully): You simply do not exist, and this is not happening. Anyway, I've seen worse on my travels.

Visigoth (drawing back his sword): Have some of this you cunt!

Billus Buchananus: Aaaargh.

The End.


Utinam barbari spatioum proprium tuum invadant, Bill :-)
 

IN CHICAGO HAD A GUY WHO GOT CAUGHT, PULLED HIS CAR INTO A ALLEY GOT OUT AND WAS PEEING TWO GANG BANGERS CAME OUT OF A SIDE GANG WAY STUCK HIM UP WITH A GUN TOOK HIS MONEY JEWELERY AND VEHICLE AND SHOT HIM IN THE BUTT. SHOULD OF PEED IN HIS PANTS
 

MCM @11:56

It really does look like a valiant "advance towards the rear"... at quite a clip too.

Common, they were outnumbered and they ran...
 

metcountymounty:
Thanks for the explanation.
Unfortunately the religion of the protesters (not the leftwing nutjob agitators)would have had a bearing on the decisions of the men/wimmin at the top, who would have been sheet scared of upsetting any prominent Muslims.

The worlds media saw British Police running away ...and so did the Jihadis, so the tactics certainly fell flat, and the behaviour of the protesters will only get more violent now.

The police (at the top) need to take control, and yes, I know it's easy to be an armchair warrior, but the Police will end up taking the brunt as usual, unless they have the upper hand at EVERY violent protest.

PS: I read the full report on your blog, thanks.
 

This clip is the 21st Century equivalent of a Hogarth print. Britain, Gin Alley, 2009.

We've lost it. Big time.
 

Too many comments to read through in case someone else has mentioned it, but the "commentator" is most definitely Kiwi. No proof that it was filmed in New Zealand, though.

Mind, having had more than a few nights out there, I can believe it.
 

So let me get this clear... because the urinator is a woman, many of you posters seem to think that she's so much worse than a male for peeing in the street, that somehow women have magical bladders which never get overloaded, that somehow because she's a woman she should be superhuman?

What she did wasn't nice, but it's no worse than men peeing in the street. She's not even exposing herself; she's peeing through her clothes, which to me indicates that she's desperate. Nobody would deliberately wet themselves if they weren't desperate.

You could argue that she shouldn't have drunk so much to need a pee before she got home. You could also argue that public conveniences ought to be open so that people can pee in privacy.

Unlike most men who seem to mistake shop doorways for urinals, she's peeing in the gutter which will at least drain away and be washed away by the next rain. Despite it being a very public display, it's by far the better place to pee if you're desperate. Nobody will have to walk through her leak.

Shop owners won't have to wash their doorways out with disinfectant before they can open for business because of her.

I expect you'd all prefer her to walk down the street with urine trickling down the inside of her leg instead.

I haven't stopped by Coppersblog since David Copperfield went to Canada. I obviously haven't missed much if this is the sort of stuff the team are putting up.

David Copperfield filled this blog with humour and compassion as well as pointing out some of the sad absurdities in the CJS. I don't think this particular entry measures up to his standard. Neither does the remark about being sexists and proud of it become this blog.

Oh well, entropy rules.

M
 

Bye bye, M.
 

Thanks M.
"Nobody would deliberately wet themselves if they weren't desperate."
How we love to hear the authentic voice of the naiive middle classes: once you've seen inside a few of the houses on the great housing estates of this nation, you cease to think like this, trust me.
"I expect you'd all prefer her to walk down the street with urine trickling down the inside of her leg instead."
No; we expect her to do what most children of five can do, physically, and wait until she finds a toilet.
Look, to clarify, we don't think she's worse than men who urinate in the street. We don't think she should suffer any worse penalty than they would, or that they should be indulged and treated more lightly than she.
What this post is suggesting is that she is a cipher for a general decline in moral, social and behavioural standards - women generally have always behaved better than men (look at the crime figures, for starters) and as women's behaviour declines so that says something about the state of society generally.
It's not just about urine, obviously, but it is beyond doubt is that there was a time when women didn't squat on the yellow lines, under bright streetlights, with traffic and shoppers passing by within yards of them, and relieve themselves through their clothes.
Yes, men have probably always urinated in the street, and in shop doorways; this is not the same as saying it is OK to do so, or that society generally accepts it.
It doesn't - men are arrested for urinating in the street and in shop doorways.
What is undoutbedly true, though, is that men urinate in the street and shop doorways more openly and more regularly than they did 30 or 40 years ago.
Behaviour in general is far worse than it was 30 or 40 years ago.
You may celebrate the liberating effects of the relaxation of standards we are seeing, or seek to understand it or excuse it, or regard it as a blow for personal freedom against the hypocritical restraints of a bourgeouise elite,; we don’t, and we see women behaving like this as the thin end of a very unpleasant wedge, and we don't apologise for that.
I can assure you that PC DC would share our views, too.
 

I don't remember saying it was acceptable behaviour. I was aiming my remarks at this apparent discrepancy in commentators' apparent belief that it's not nice for a bloke to pee in the street, yet it's a heinously immoral act for a woman to pee in the street. Hypocrisy.

It’s the same hypocrisy which sees women get custodial sentences where a man would have some community based punishment; this feeling that Nice Women Don’t Do That, therefore she’s a sl*g and deserves to go down. Because we’re not used to women being criminals… as you point out yourselves.

Your remark about not complaining about you being sexists and not caring actually flags up the same prejudice.

Yet now you state. “Look, to clarify, we don't think she's worse than men who urinate in the street.”

There is an incongruity in your logic here. You have used this specific clip to show the degeneration of our streets. You tell us you’re sexists and you don’t care. Yet now you tell us that you don’t think she’s worse than men who urinate in the street. So why use this particular clip? Because it’s a woman and women should know better? So you DO think she’s worse than men. You hold her up as a shining example of what is wrong in our society today. You can’t have it both ways.

Ever been pregnant? Ever been in the situation where you have wrung out the last drops from your bladder before leaving the pub yet 5 minutes down the road your bladder is complaining again. Ever been in tears because the loos are all locked and there’s nowhere to go? Ever walked down the street knowing that every step may bring disaster? How do you know this woman wasn’t in that state? You don’t. You’ve made assumptions. Just like you’ve made assumptions about my life and about who I am, and sneer at me because of it, and at the same time, show up another flaw in your logic:-

“How we love to hear the authentic voice of the naiive middle classes: once you've seen inside a few of the houses on the great housing estates of this nation, you cease to think like this, trust me.”

Yet you have just held up this woman as being extraordinary. Either it’s common for people to piss where they are standing, like in the living room… in which case this woman is not out of the ordinary… or it’s so unusual it’s worth filming, and worth commenting about. Since you’ve done the latter, it kind of makes your subsequent comment a little illogical.


Oh look; here’s another assumption:-

It's not just about urine, obviously, but it is beyond doubt is that there was a time when women didn't squat on the yellow lines, under bright streetlights, with traffic and shoppers passing by within yards of them, and relieve themselves through their clothes.

How do you know? Because nobody has told you of a time, and nobody has filmed it before? For all you know it may have happened many times in the past.

You seem to think I’m saying that this behaviour is OK. I’m not. What I’m saying is that she is no worse than blokes caught short in the street, and assumptions about her morality should not be extrapolated from this one perhaps desperate act. My comments were mainly aimed at those commentators who have done exactly that.

We just think “dirty skunk” if a bloke is peeing, we don’t hold each and every one of them up as an example of what’s going wrong with society. (Though perhaps we should) Yet this woman, just because someone filmed her taking a leak, is being held up as the acme of moral decline. That's hypocritical and unfair.


And as for David Copperfield sharing your views, I’m sure he would in general terms, but he would have posted this story with more compassion and more humour. That’s the difference.

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M - There’s no hypocrisy. Women urinating in the street should get exactly the same penalty as men.
Yes, she could be pregnant, but does she look like it to you?
We’re emphatically not saying she is extraordinary – this sort of thing happens a lot now, it just rarely gets stuck up on YouTube – but that this sort of behaviour is symptomatic of a wider decline.
How do we know women didn’t used to do this very often? Because we live and work here, mainly. Same way we know gang rapists didn’t very often pour caustic soda on their victims and laugh about it, and fathers weren’t beaten to death in the street over a bottle of wine.
But let’s take your position – that these sorts of things have always gone on.
You say you don’t approve... so what’s your problem with us commenting about it?
It seems you’re reduced to a whine about ‘sexism’, which is where we started – the point we’re making isn’t sexist; you’ve just misunderstood it.