Wednesday, June 18, 2008
Circling The Wagons
Louise Casey used to be Tony Blair's Respect 'Czar'.
We've got nothing against Louise, and nothing - certainly - against attempts to reintroduce respect into British life.
Did she succeed? Well, not so as you'd notice.
This Guardian profile makes interesting reading. "In the past nine years," it says, "Louise Casey has made her mark in some high-profile government-appointed positions tackling major issues from homelessness to antisocial behaviour and crime."
Impressive. But did she succeed in 'tackling' homelessness, antisocial behaviour and crime? Again, not exactly.
Now she has unveiled the results of her year-long investigation into the Criminal Justice System generally.
Changes must be made to it because it is perceived by the public as "distant, unaccountable and unanswerable", apparently.
There's more detail here. Some of it sounds interesting: if they really do get yobs out litterpicking five days a week, great. Will they succeeed? Hmmm. Not so sure.
Most of it sounds terribly predictable, though: work projects for offenders will be re-named 'community payback' and run by private companies, there'll be a 'Public Commissioner on Crime' to 'champion people's concerns', a new performance target to measure public confidence in the system...
Yadda. Yadda. Yadda.
Renaming things, part-privatising stuff, creating new Czars... we've been here before.
Here's a good one: 'The Home Office will be stripped of responsibility for producing national crime statistics, with the task handed to an independent organisation.'
Yes, that will sort it out: another shiny new office full of computers and 400 staff, all sucking on the public teat and producing statistics.
It's all of a piece with the general big government approach to life: they think that they can improve things in Moss Side, Porthcawl, Ramsbottom and Richmond-on-Thames by dictating strategy and tactics from Whitehall. And if they can just communicate their message a bit better...
The fact is, government can't change people. It can only give us the tools - in the CJS, police, courts, jails - and allow us to use them.
Nightjack is an excellent and relatively new police blogger: his latest post, Darkness At The Edge Of Town, is really well worth reading.
In it, he talks about the 'evil poor' and says:
We've got nothing against Louise, and nothing - certainly - against attempts to reintroduce respect into British life.
Did she succeed? Well, not so as you'd notice.
This Guardian profile makes interesting reading. "In the past nine years," it says, "Louise Casey has made her mark in some high-profile government-appointed positions tackling major issues from homelessness to antisocial behaviour and crime."
Impressive. But did she succeed in 'tackling' homelessness, antisocial behaviour and crime? Again, not exactly.
Now she has unveiled the results of her year-long investigation into the Criminal Justice System generally.
Changes must be made to it because it is perceived by the public as "distant, unaccountable and unanswerable", apparently.
There's more detail here. Some of it sounds interesting: if they really do get yobs out litterpicking five days a week, great. Will they succeeed? Hmmm. Not so sure.
Most of it sounds terribly predictable, though: work projects for offenders will be re-named 'community payback' and run by private companies, there'll be a 'Public Commissioner on Crime' to 'champion people's concerns', a new performance target to measure public confidence in the system...
Yadda. Yadda. Yadda.
Renaming things, part-privatising stuff, creating new Czars... we've been here before.
Here's a good one: 'The Home Office will be stripped of responsibility for producing national crime statistics, with the task handed to an independent organisation.'
Yes, that will sort it out: another shiny new office full of computers and 400 staff, all sucking on the public teat and producing statistics.
It's all of a piece with the general big government approach to life: they think that they can improve things in Moss Side, Porthcawl, Ramsbottom and Richmond-on-Thames by dictating strategy and tactics from Whitehall. And if they can just communicate their message a bit better...
The fact is, government can't change people. It can only give us the tools - in the CJS, police, courts, jails - and allow us to use them.
Nightjack is an excellent and relatively new police blogger: his latest post, Darkness At The Edge Of Town, is really well worth reading.
In it, he talks about the 'evil poor' and says:
Nobody was washing their cars here, they have had them up on blocks, for years. No kids playing out, just the odd skinny abandoned devil dog trotting up and down looking for trouble.
There were rotting disposable nappies in gardens and in the street.
Every windy corner was a-rattle with empty lager cans and fag butts.
Dog shit, broken bottles and deep motorbike and car tyre tracks disfigured the dying, untended and unused football pitches.
These were Euro-funded and opened with such pride and hope just a few years ago. Every aparatus on the childrens’ playground was bent, broken and useless. Every tile in the happy happy mosaic installed at the opening has been lovingly chipped, broken and destroyed.
Nothing stays good on Cannonrail.
The council had given everybody new wooden garden fences last year and within a month they were ripped apart and useless. Nobody living there gives a flying one. They didn’t care about the old broken fences in the first place.
The point being, the football pitches and play parks were EU funded and the fences provided by the council. Sometimes, you lead a horse to water and he pisses in it.
Out in Afghanistan, four more British soldiers have died in a government plan to make Afghanistan more like Britain.
In today's Times, Stuart Ramsay talks about spending two weeks with the Pathfinders. They are ambushed, their guns jam (rubbish ammunition, again), their vehicles break down, it's a nightmare.
At the end of one huge firefight, a village elder says to the Paras: 'We don't have electricity, we don't have schools and we don't have medical centres and we don't mind. Leave us.'
Eventually, over there and back here, we are going to have to accept that we can do nothing for those who don't want what we want; then these great and vastly expensive experiments will be shelved and we'll start circling the wagons.
TCT
There were rotting disposable nappies in gardens and in the street.
Every windy corner was a-rattle with empty lager cans and fag butts.
Dog shit, broken bottles and deep motorbike and car tyre tracks disfigured the dying, untended and unused football pitches.
These were Euro-funded and opened with such pride and hope just a few years ago. Every aparatus on the childrens’ playground was bent, broken and useless. Every tile in the happy happy mosaic installed at the opening has been lovingly chipped, broken and destroyed.
Nothing stays good on Cannonrail.
The council had given everybody new wooden garden fences last year and within a month they were ripped apart and useless. Nobody living there gives a flying one. They didn’t care about the old broken fences in the first place.
The point being, the football pitches and play parks were EU funded and the fences provided by the council. Sometimes, you lead a horse to water and he pisses in it.
Out in Afghanistan, four more British soldiers have died in a government plan to make Afghanistan more like Britain.
In today's Times, Stuart Ramsay talks about spending two weeks with the Pathfinders. They are ambushed, their guns jam (rubbish ammunition, again), their vehicles break down, it's a nightmare.
At the end of one huge firefight, a village elder says to the Paras: 'We don't have electricity, we don't have schools and we don't have medical centres and we don't mind. Leave us.'
Eventually, over there and back here, we are going to have to accept that we can do nothing for those who don't want what we want; then these great and vastly expensive experiments will be shelved and we'll start circling the wagons.
TCT
Comments:
FIRST!
You're spot on. Government screws up everything is touches. It grows like bindweed and the worst is, people forget it wasn't always this way. It's about the slow strangulation of everything we used to hold dear.
You're spot on. Government screws up everything is touches. It grows like bindweed and the worst is, people forget it wasn't always this way. It's about the slow strangulation of everything we used to hold dear.
# posted by 
: 10:48 AM, June 18, 2008
: 10:48 AM, June 18, 2008
"Sometimes, you lead a horse to water and he pisses in it"
Love that, going to use it in the future. On every sink estate in the country there are people who don't want to be there but can't move, those who bought places there before it went down hill and can't sell, and those who will happily shit on their own doorstep - or anyone else's for that matter - because they don't care. If they don't care about themselves and make the lives of everyone else around them a misery then why are we paying for them?
There are families in the UK with three generations who have never worked and have no intention of ever doing so, and they get free houses as big as they want if only they keep breeding. How many of those people have more than one criminal conviction? That's a statistic I would actually be interested in reading.
Love that, going to use it in the future. On every sink estate in the country there are people who don't want to be there but can't move, those who bought places there before it went down hill and can't sell, and those who will happily shit on their own doorstep - or anyone else's for that matter - because they don't care. If they don't care about themselves and make the lives of everyone else around them a misery then why are we paying for them?
There are families in the UK with three generations who have never worked and have no intention of ever doing so, and they get free houses as big as they want if only they keep breeding. How many of those people have more than one criminal conviction? That's a statistic I would actually be interested in reading.
Happening in education too. Government trying to socially engineer life. Have a read of Chalk's latest couple of posts since his return from the dead. The letft-hand-right-hand one (second one down I think) will strike chords with police readers. I have a good friend in the police, seven years in, and what he says about your job mirrors school life almost exactly.
Frank Chalk
Frank Chalk
# posted by : 11:32 AM, June 18, 2008
: 11:32 AM, June 18, 2008
On the subject of Ms Casey, I did chuckle at the interview with her this morning.
She explained carefully that Whitehall targets were ruining Police work and that they would all be swept away and replaced with a single target to reflect local people's confidence.
"That'll help", I thought ... targets are wrong in principle so we'll replace them with another target ... Hmmm.
Then she added that crime figures would of course still need to be collected. Which is when I started laughing - officers are overburdened with paperwork, so we'll introduce a replacement target with its associated paperwork, and also carry on with the previous paperwork.
Someone please tell me ... what planet are these people on??
She explained carefully that Whitehall targets were ruining Police work and that they would all be swept away and replaced with a single target to reflect local people's confidence.
"That'll help", I thought ... targets are wrong in principle so we'll replace them with another target ... Hmmm.
Then she added that crime figures would of course still need to be collected. Which is when I started laughing - officers are overburdened with paperwork, so we'll introduce a replacement target with its associated paperwork, and also carry on with the previous paperwork.
Someone please tell me ... what planet are these people on??
This is what these Liberal Elite quango-crats do: they must produce "eye-catching initiatives" in order to make the headlines, to be seen to be doing something, before they move up the greasy pole to their next quango position, higher-paid of course. All an unbelievable waste of money: as most seem to agree on this blog, and others like it, what is needed is for criminals to be properly punished so they learn not to do it again. Not rocket science, but flies in the face of the soshulist ideology which maintains that criminals are victims of the capitalist society. There's no hope while this lot hold the strings: they're not going to change their minds, they swear black is white, they never see the reality of things in their Islington townhouses.
# posted by : 1:34 PM, June 18, 2008
: 1:34 PM, June 18, 2008
Twice in two successive posts you've been contemptuous of statistics. Why is that? Because they're too hard for you to understand?
Without statistics, clinical approaches would not improve. Safety features on cars would not improve. You wouldn't even know which team was top of the premier league. So, I ask again: what is your beef with statistics?
Without statistics, clinical approaches would not improve. Safety features on cars would not improve. You wouldn't even know which team was top of the premier league. So, I ask again: what is your beef with statistics?
We're not contemptuous of statistics per se, Kimpatsu, and we do understand them, thanks.
Our 'beef' is with those who twist and distort statistics for their own ends.
Thus, 10 drunks arrested on a Friday night can be 10 recordable public order offences (detected) or 10 non-recordable drunk and disorderlies - depending on what you want the stats to show.
Dealing with thousands of offenders by way of PNDs which are never enforced is another example; these can be statistically described as successes, but are nothing of the sort.
Encouraging people not to report crimes (or making it harder by centralising your phone number and closing down all the nicks) is a third. Statistically, crime is down. Does that mean it is, or that are more people failing to report it?
Ignoring hard-to-detect crime (random assault) in favour of playground hair pulling, and rolling them all up together in a big ball of violent crime is another interesting tack. You can make your proper assaults look better if you clear up the schoolyard stuff.
Deals between the CPS and the defence to reduce S20 woundings to S47 - for instance - also change the truth. Statistically, on paper, there are lots of people walking round with S47 injuries; in real life, they have S20 injuries.
These are just a few examples of how statistics can be manipulated so as to obscure the true picture.
There is the requirement for records to be kept, of course, but absolute reliance upon them is for fools and charlatans.
In fact, the only true guide to what is happening is that provided by your own eyes.
One way of solving all of this would be directly elected Chief Constables and Divisional Commanders. Chief Candidate A could talk at great length about the fear of crime and success stories and crime rates; Chief Candidate B could offer more police on the streets and less paperwork. Those who believe the stats could vote A; those who don't, B.
The other thing about stats is the amount of time, effort, manpower and money spent collating, cross checking, developing and finessing them; Chief Candidate A could offer to keep his army of bureaucrats, and Chief Candidate B could offer to fire them and spend the money on bobbies.
We have a hunch that B would get elected.
Our 'beef' is with those who twist and distort statistics for their own ends.
Thus, 10 drunks arrested on a Friday night can be 10 recordable public order offences (detected) or 10 non-recordable drunk and disorderlies - depending on what you want the stats to show.
Dealing with thousands of offenders by way of PNDs which are never enforced is another example; these can be statistically described as successes, but are nothing of the sort.
Encouraging people not to report crimes (or making it harder by centralising your phone number and closing down all the nicks) is a third. Statistically, crime is down. Does that mean it is, or that are more people failing to report it?
Ignoring hard-to-detect crime (random assault) in favour of playground hair pulling, and rolling them all up together in a big ball of violent crime is another interesting tack. You can make your proper assaults look better if you clear up the schoolyard stuff.
Deals between the CPS and the defence to reduce S20 woundings to S47 - for instance - also change the truth. Statistically, on paper, there are lots of people walking round with S47 injuries; in real life, they have S20 injuries.
These are just a few examples of how statistics can be manipulated so as to obscure the true picture.
There is the requirement for records to be kept, of course, but absolute reliance upon them is for fools and charlatans.
In fact, the only true guide to what is happening is that provided by your own eyes.
One way of solving all of this would be directly elected Chief Constables and Divisional Commanders. Chief Candidate A could talk at great length about the fear of crime and success stories and crime rates; Chief Candidate B could offer more police on the streets and less paperwork. Those who believe the stats could vote A; those who don't, B.
The other thing about stats is the amount of time, effort, manpower and money spent collating, cross checking, developing and finessing them; Chief Candidate A could offer to keep his army of bureaucrats, and Chief Candidate B could offer to fire them and spend the money on bobbies.
We have a hunch that B would get elected.
NightJack hits the nail square on the head. The Government should build huge camps and put all the 'evil poor' in them, so the rest of us can get some respite. And before any of the chattering class mob lay into me, come and live on my street for a week, I bet they'll change their rose tinted tune.
So, British soldiers are trying to disarm the populace and criminalise self-defense?
If these are the changes Britain is trying to bring to Afghanistan, no wonder the village elder wants to see their backs.
If these are the changes Britain is trying to bring to Afghanistan, no wonder the village elder wants to see their backs.
# posted by : 6:01 PM, June 18, 2008
: 6:01 PM, June 18, 2008
Meh. The squaddies are there to protect the civilian workers trying to ease the Afghan provincials out of the Middle Ages, much like coppers protecting doctors and social workers on an estate.
The pike^W sorry, tribesmen shooting at them are resisting that primarily because they want to go on with their traditional way of life, i.e. robbing and slaughtering each other and treating women as property with the sole purpose of creating sons, without the infidels getting in the way. See also dealers and estate gangs.
Don't worry, once we pull out, they'll be able to enjoy their right to murder each other en masse again.
The pike^W sorry, tribesmen shooting at them are resisting that primarily because they want to go on with their traditional way of life, i.e. robbing and slaughtering each other and treating women as property with the sole purpose of creating sons, without the infidels getting in the way. See also dealers and estate gangs.
Don't worry, once we pull out, they'll be able to enjoy their right to murder each other en masse again.
# posted by : 6:59 PM, June 18, 2008
: 6:59 PM, June 18, 2008
Nothing has been truly lost until the government appoints a Czar. Any enforcement or improvement activity is not oficially utterly hopeless until a Czar is named, lauded given powers and then (like poor old Keith Hellawell) completely forgotten. The Misuse of Drugs Act quite simply criminalised drugs when all they should have done was upgraded the Dangerous Drugs Act to make only a few responsible doctors within health clinics authorised to prescribe. Unfortunately Opium became the opiate of the people and unemployment and the scarcity of low paid/ low skilled jobs and the factories and mines that promoted social cohesion of a sort fding away didnt really help JM
# posted by : 7:20 PM, June 18, 2008
: 7:20 PM, June 18, 2008
Now why did you choose "Ramsbottom" - or "Tups arse" as it is locally known...
I'm guessing you are a GMP cop.
Lousie Casey mentions nothing about increasing prison spaces though.
Saw her on tv - with a big beaded necklace - looked a bit like a Grauniad reading Sociology degree type.
Why can't we have a Sherriff Joe Arpaio type to guide Government policy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio
I'm guessing you are a GMP cop.
Lousie Casey mentions nothing about increasing prison spaces though.
Saw her on tv - with a big beaded necklace - looked a bit like a Grauniad reading Sociology degree type.
Why can't we have a Sherriff Joe Arpaio type to guide Government policy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio
# posted by : 7:22 PM, June 18, 2008
: 7:22 PM, June 18, 2008
There have always been poor people and some of them are so stuck in that hole of poverty and deprivation, that they lose all hope. Their kids grow up to "not care" about the rest of the world, because from their point of view, the rest of the world quite clearly does not care about them.
In their deep rooted anger and frustration, because they can see that there are a great many people who live better lifestyles, they destroy and smash up what is around them. If those kids aquire a criminal record, that becomes an obstacle to future employment and escape from the poverty "hole".
Take away the safety net of dole, and they will become desperate and commit MORE crime just to survive.
There are no easy solutions to this problem, but treating those "poor" with disgust and contempt just creates even more resentment. Because, despite how much you despise them and the way they live, they ARE human beings.
This "big brother state" doesn't help matters either. They have just made a huge mistake by ratifying the Lisbon Treaty and the EU Super State, which NON of us got a say about.
No doubt "someone" has their eye on these "poor" on benefits, for the master plan of conscription into the EU army. The way the poor live may not meet with approval, but the real EVIL GITS are in government, led by an arrogant stalinist dictator.
Why HM the Queen lets him get away with riding roughshod over the people is a bit of a mystery.
'er indoors
In their deep rooted anger and frustration, because they can see that there are a great many people who live better lifestyles, they destroy and smash up what is around them. If those kids aquire a criminal record, that becomes an obstacle to future employment and escape from the poverty "hole".
Take away the safety net of dole, and they will become desperate and commit MORE crime just to survive.
There are no easy solutions to this problem, but treating those "poor" with disgust and contempt just creates even more resentment. Because, despite how much you despise them and the way they live, they ARE human beings.
This "big brother state" doesn't help matters either. They have just made a huge mistake by ratifying the Lisbon Treaty and the EU Super State, which NON of us got a say about.
No doubt "someone" has their eye on these "poor" on benefits, for the master plan of conscription into the EU army. The way the poor live may not meet with approval, but the real EVIL GITS are in government, led by an arrogant stalinist dictator.
Why HM the Queen lets him get away with riding roughshod over the people is a bit of a mystery.
'er indoors
# posted by : 2:27 AM, June 19, 2008
: 2:27 AM, June 19, 2008
"tribesmen shooting at them are resisting that primarily because they want to go on with their traditional way of life, i.e. robbing and slaughtering each other and treating women as property with the sole purpose of creating sons, without the infidels getting in the way. See also dealers and estate gangs."
Excellent analogy.
Excellent analogy.
# posted by : 10:42 AM, June 19, 2008
: 10:42 AM, June 19, 2008
You're right RogerBorg. We need to travel round the world imposing our view of what's right and wrong on everyone. Let's do China next. When are you joining up, or are you just a keyboard sort of warrior?
# posted by : 10:52 AM, June 19, 2008
: 10:52 AM, June 19, 2008
We try to avoid deleting comments, because we're all busy people, but several people consistently post up stuff which we can only describe as bonkers.
Dr Melvin T Gray, VE, you know who you are...
If you have a sensible opinion that you can put in a simple way, fine.
If not, you're getting clipped.
Everyone else, you can say what you like about the police and the service they give you, though please do it in reasoned terms.
Cheers all.
Dr Melvin T Gray, VE, you know who you are...
If you have a sensible opinion that you can put in a simple way, fine.
If not, you're getting clipped.
Everyone else, you can say what you like about the police and the service they give you, though please do it in reasoned terms.
Cheers all.
Personally I think that the time to circle the wagons began when the current shower in government took office. Everything they have dabbled in has done a reverse Midas or turned into a morass of committees, quangos, czars and meaningless soundbites intended to briefly mollify their critics whilst they get on with cocking something else up or making the situation even worse with their half baked social experimentation.
Many years ago I read a novel called 'Roadlines', a quasi-scifi piece about a Britain of the future where the criminal underclass and urban poor were contained within guarded ghettos (the 'Roadlines' of the title refer to the lines drawn on maps to show the walls of the ghettos) and more or less left to get on with their nefarious activities whilst everyone else got on with their law-abiding lives. The way things are going this was less a work of fiction, more a chillingly accurate prediction of what is to come thanks to the failed experiments of the current incumbents of Westminster. At the time I never really saw myself as one of the guards at the gates.
Many years ago I read a novel called 'Roadlines', a quasi-scifi piece about a Britain of the future where the criminal underclass and urban poor were contained within guarded ghettos (the 'Roadlines' of the title refer to the lines drawn on maps to show the walls of the ghettos) and more or less left to get on with their nefarious activities whilst everyone else got on with their law-abiding lives. The way things are going this was less a work of fiction, more a chillingly accurate prediction of what is to come thanks to the failed experiments of the current incumbents of Westminster. At the time I never really saw myself as one of the guards at the gates.
# posted by : 4:31 PM, June 19, 2008
: 4:31 PM, June 19, 2008
Thirty years ago, solid working class families living on council estates was the natural order of things. Changes in society now allow a plumber, electrician, bank clerk, even police officer, to buy and own their own home. This has caused a large proportion of the better elements to move out.
What we are left with are families where for three or four generations nobody has had the ambition or wherewithall to leave, the result is a sink estate.
If they were not living on these estates they might be living next door to you.
What we are left with are families where for three or four generations nobody has had the ambition or wherewithall to leave, the result is a sink estate.
If they were not living on these estates they might be living next door to you.
# posted by : 5:34 PM, June 19, 2008
: 5:34 PM, June 19, 2008
Dear Policemans Blog...
Cheers for the article. You have helped me fill in my application for a squad job.....
"I have been busy tackling major issues from homelessness to antisocial behaviour and crime"" I have held high-profile divisional-appointed positions" "I am focused on "delivery""
Might omit the "Yadda yadda yadda" though....it's soooo not management you know !!
Cheers for the article. You have helped me fill in my application for a squad job.....
"I have been busy tackling major issues from homelessness to antisocial behaviour and crime"" I have held high-profile divisional-appointed positions" "I am focused on "delivery""
Might omit the "Yadda yadda yadda" though....it's soooo not management you know !!
# posted by : 11:55 PM, June 19, 2008
: 11:55 PM, June 19, 2008
Apologies for posting nonsense earlier. I've been a bit tired lately. Will try to stay on topic in future.
# posted by : 9:49 AM, June 20, 2008
: 9:49 AM, June 20, 2008
Excellent sentiments that I'm not used to hearing expressed by serving police officers. I do wonder, often, how many of your colleagues feel this way, and how many of them are content with the dismal managerialism that's infected UK policing in recent decades - aims & objectives, targets, controlling the populace, seeing coppers as referees between ordinary citizens on the one hand and miscreants on the other, posing arrogantly at stations & airports while wearing black SWAT outfits with HKs at the ready, cruising in flashing-light-infested jam sandwiches but not deigning to walk the pavements, persecuting motorists as easy targets instead of the criminal underclass, zooming around in helicopters shining bloody spotlights at my chum Rob when he's out shooting rabbits at night just because some hysterical cretin has called to say there's a man with a gun in a field in rural Devon...etc. You get my drift. A great many of us distrust the police and try to avoid contact with them, since we can no longer rely on them to exercise good sense as defenders of decent people against the minority of toerags. It would be nice if this could change but I see no sign of this happening anytime soon.
Gascoyne
Gascoyne
# posted by : 10:44 AM, June 20, 2008
: 10:44 AM, June 20, 2008
I see the real criminals in this country ie the social engineers that have led us to hell in a hand cart or put another way those that make the law for our police to enforce whether they like it or not are putting the thumb screws on all of us. If we did have a national food and fuel crisis our police will be expected to defend and protect those that orchestrated it won’t they? If our police and military went on strike they’d all be dishonourably discharged for dereliction of duty and our government could import us a whole new force from the EU then they really could play divide and rule with us. I stumbled upon a video of one of the bravest men I have seen in a long time. He had this crazy notion that if our police force used the existing laws that we already have to impose a valid national tax strike, our military serving abroad would be home within a week. Maybe they could help our police apprehend the real criminals that keep slipping through the net? It would take 5 minutes of your time to check this link. Please do, this man is brilliant and is much more eloquent than I could ever be. Its in reference to the investigation opened by the Metropolitan Police into war crimes and conspiracy to murder by those in our own government, top brass and civil service. http://www.makewarshistory.org.uk/?q=node/2
# posted by : 2:32 PM, June 20, 2008
: 2:32 PM, June 20, 2008
Hmmm, Ramsbottom or Moss Side?
Tough choice, working in the latter, I'd live in the former but certainly not vice versa!
Tough choice, working in the latter, I'd live in the former but certainly not vice versa!
# posted by : 1:59 PM, June 21, 2008
: 1:59 PM, June 21, 2008
Dear Coppersblog Team.
With reference to your public rebuke of "Ve" and the accusation of "not having a sensible opinion" - I had not posted anything on this post. So whatever it was that you deleted was NOT written by me. I can appreciate that some of my past posts have been perhaps rather controversial, but have been the truth. My opponents do not want the truth to come out. I am grateful for the opportunity that this blog has given me, to speak the truth, which government is trying to sweep under the carpet. They have gone to great lengths to undermine me and smear my name. This is what NuLabour do to continue with the lies and the spin.
I will not be posting on here or any other blog in the future using the name Ve.
Peace and Love to you all.
With reference to your public rebuke of "Ve" and the accusation of "not having a sensible opinion" - I had not posted anything on this post. So whatever it was that you deleted was NOT written by me. I can appreciate that some of my past posts have been perhaps rather controversial, but have been the truth. My opponents do not want the truth to come out. I am grateful for the opportunity that this blog has given me, to speak the truth, which government is trying to sweep under the carpet. They have gone to great lengths to undermine me and smear my name. This is what NuLabour do to continue with the lies and the spin.
I will not be posting on here or any other blog in the future using the name Ve.
Peace and Love to you all.
# posted by : 12:00 AM, June 25, 2008
: 12:00 AM, June 25, 2008
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RC helicopters capture people's interest since their very first inception. They stand as one of the most fascinating field of the RC hobby world. Very few can resist its charm. Nevertheless, not too long ago they also carried an extremely heavy price tag and required more maintenance than a ten-years-old car. To make matters worse, flying one required countless hours of practice and tremendous amount of patience. Here's the secondDS spin-off of Sony's great Ratchet & Clank franchise, which the High Impact games studio has successfully shrunk to fit a 4.3-inch screen. Featuring an unbreakable polycarbonate lens, the flashlight Jr. Luxeon Reach is made of anodized machined aircraft aluminum and includes a push-button tail cap for steady on and momentary on/off operation. Wolf-Eyes FlashlightThe flexible cable extension is protected by a durable PVC coating
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RC helicopters capture people's interest since their very first inception. They stand as one of the most fascinating field of the RC hobby world. Very few can resist its charm. Nevertheless, not too long ago they also carried an extremely heavy price tag and required more maintenance than a ten-years-old car. To make matters worse, flying one required countless hours of practice and tremendous amount of patience. Here's the secondDS spin-off of Sony's great Ratchet & Clank franchise, which the High Impact games studio has successfully shrunk to fit a 4.3-inch screen. Featuring an unbreakable polycarbonate lens, the flashlight Jr. Luxeon Reach is made of anodized machined aircraft aluminum and includes a push-button tail cap for steady on and momentary on/off operation. Wolf-Eyes FlashlightThe flexible cable extension is protected by a durable PVC coating
# posted by : 10:22 AM, August 04, 2008
: 10:22 AM, August 04, 2008
