Wednesday, May 16, 2007
STOP & ACCOUNT, THEN SCAN, PHOTOCOPY & EMAIL
I wonder if the following is true (sent in by a reader):
On my way out I had a last look in my job email inbox and discovered that there is a brand new boom industry from a previously unheard of 'support dept' who collate STOPS forms. I had 12 emails from them. Six said that my team had not completed STOPS forms correctly and as such I had not supervised them properly.
The common faults were that the team had not put a beat code in one of the boxes, their writing was too big for the boxes or they had not got the customer to sign the 'customer experience - "I had a great / crap time when I was stopped by the Police" section. Six emails were follow ups saying that I had not acknowledged the initial email within 48 hours and that the matter was being referred to the CI. Honestly I give up. Have they not heard of rest days or annual leave?
Have you seen the new forms ****?? What a hoot. The STOPS book is like a foot long Rubik's Cube with guide notes and completion codes on every available surface. When I saw the new forms I sent an email to commend the Sgt in charge of the team for the fact that they looked far more professional than the old forms. I also mentioned that personally and for sound, logical operational reasons I would like to see the next print run with the colour scheme changed because at night under sodium street lighting, many of the amber / orange / green boxes disappear and they are tiny enough as it is.
The reply was that I was being unhelpful.
This from the department that want me to supervise each form before the end of each shift, fold them all lengthways so that I can then scan them both sides. Once scanned I send them on an email as an attachment but no more than 6 on each email - so that's only 3 forms per email.....oh, that is after I have gone to another office to get the scanner receipt so I can send proof that I have done it - then I can take all the forms to the mail tray in the front office with the envelopes marked up as 'STOPS Forms' enclosing no other paperwork but remembering to retain the receipt. Good job I have no real police work to do. Did I mention that we have to photocopy them too - both sides - although the forms are bigger than A4 so we have to use A3 and cut them down.
Aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghh hhhhhhh!!!
On my way out I had a last look in my job email inbox and discovered that there is a brand new boom industry from a previously unheard of 'support dept' who collate STOPS forms. I had 12 emails from them. Six said that my team had not completed STOPS forms correctly and as such I had not supervised them properly.
The common faults were that the team had not put a beat code in one of the boxes, their writing was too big for the boxes or they had not got the customer to sign the 'customer experience - "I had a great / crap time when I was stopped by the Police" section. Six emails were follow ups saying that I had not acknowledged the initial email within 48 hours and that the matter was being referred to the CI. Honestly I give up. Have they not heard of rest days or annual leave?
Have you seen the new forms ****?? What a hoot. The STOPS book is like a foot long Rubik's Cube with guide notes and completion codes on every available surface. When I saw the new forms I sent an email to commend the Sgt in charge of the team for the fact that they looked far more professional than the old forms. I also mentioned that personally and for sound, logical operational reasons I would like to see the next print run with the colour scheme changed because at night under sodium street lighting, many of the amber / orange / green boxes disappear and they are tiny enough as it is.
The reply was that I was being unhelpful.
This from the department that want me to supervise each form before the end of each shift, fold them all lengthways so that I can then scan them both sides. Once scanned I send them on an email as an attachment but no more than 6 on each email - so that's only 3 forms per email.....oh, that is after I have gone to another office to get the scanner receipt so I can send proof that I have done it - then I can take all the forms to the mail tray in the front office with the envelopes marked up as 'STOPS Forms' enclosing no other paperwork but remembering to retain the receipt. Good job I have no real police work to do. Did I mention that we have to photocopy them too - both sides - although the forms are bigger than A4 so we have to use A3 and cut them down.
Aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghh hhhhhhh!!!
Comments:
A stops form is what we give out after we have searched /spoken/glanced at some scallywag who was innocently going on with his daily business.It has to detail all the grounds for the stop and what items we were searching for.
I clearly make a habit of waisting my own time and that of law abiding members of the public by stopping and searching any tom dick or harry and not the prolific offenders!
My Borough was lucky enough to be part of the pilot scheme for the Mets stop and search forms where 'slag' were encouraged to text in with their opinions of how the stop went. Comments were to include if the officer smiled at them whilst searching. Of course I always save my broadest of cheesy grins for the many I find in possession of knives or class A drugs.....
I clearly make a habit of waisting my own time and that of law abiding members of the public by stopping and searching any tom dick or harry and not the prolific offenders!
My Borough was lucky enough to be part of the pilot scheme for the Mets stop and search forms where 'slag' were encouraged to text in with their opinions of how the stop went. Comments were to include if the officer smiled at them whilst searching. Of course I always save my broadest of cheesy grins for the many I find in possession of knives or class A drugs.....
I would also like to add that the police form filling obsession is at its best with Stop and search forms.... Firstly it is written into my pocket book...Then onto a stop slip ....Then onto a daily Crimint debrief then.....Then a specific intel report if the stop is seen to warrant it.... Then onto the Stops data base.... Then if the stop resulted in an arrest onto the Crime report ....then into the case files. Deep deep deep joy.
Nearly 40 years ago I was gutted to be twice turned down for a position in the police. Once as a cadet and again as a constable.
Strange how something that seems a disappointment at the time can be a blessing years later.
There must be a word for it...
Strange how something that seems a disappointment at the time can be a blessing years later.
There must be a word for it...
# posted by 
: 12:42 PM, May 16, 2007
: 12:42 PM, May 16, 2007
Reading all the cop-blogs from the UK, I am under the impression that the asinine paperwork from one arrest would tie an officer up for sn entire month.
Please tell me I am wrong.
Please tell me I am wrong.
its gone beyond a joke, i actively dont bother with stop forms, i suppose itll get me sacked soon
# posted by : 1:52 PM, May 16, 2007
: 1:52 PM, May 16, 2007
I only do one for searches, but NEVER submit them for stopping adn asking someone what they're up to at 2am. I am a police officer, that is my job.
Of course I always give the scrote the option of a further half hour wait whilst I complete the form, which always ends with the following question:
Scrote "Do I have to have one"
Me "Well, No, but the bosses like me to fill them in."
Scrote "Nah then. Can I go now?"
Me "Bye Bye."
Of course I always give the scrote the option of a further half hour wait whilst I complete the form, which always ends with the following question:
Scrote "Do I have to have one"
Me "Well, No, but the bosses like me to fill them in."
Scrote "Nah then. Can I go now?"
Me "Bye Bye."
# posted by : 2:16 PM, May 16, 2007
: 2:16 PM, May 16, 2007
"Reading all the cop-blogs from the UK, I am under the impression that the asinine paperwork from one arrest would tie an officer up for sn entire month.
Please tell me I am wrong.
# posted by Paradise Driver : 11:52 AM"
You're wrong.....from what I've heard it's at least 2 months....
Please tell me I am wrong.
# posted by Paradise Driver : 11:52 AM"
You're wrong.....from what I've heard it's at least 2 months....
Just imagine the paperwork we will have to fill out when we get these!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6660283.stm
... Pc Monkey, you didn't tick box c before discharging your tazer ... come and see us at PSD!
Oh the joy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6660283.stm
... Pc Monkey, you didn't tick box c before discharging your tazer ... come and see us at PSD!
Oh the joy.
# posted by : 3:05 PM, May 16, 2007
: 3:05 PM, May 16, 2007
I reached the end of my tether last week when our Crime Standards Unit sent a crime back to a bobby on my team because of "serious flaws in crime recording standards".
I was shocked! What had he done? Beaten the confession out of the suspect?
No, he'd forgotten to tick a little box that said he'd updated the victim. Even though he'd done a half page update on the crime about how he'd updated the victim.
Clearly too much to expect the C.S.U. to tick said box?
So I spent half an hour crafting a wonderfully theraputic email to the C.S.U. and copied in our Inspector and their D.I. The email pointed out that, whilst they clearly have plenty of time on their hands we don't. So the officer won't be ticking their box for them and that, in future, I wanted any such requests to come through me with an explanation as to why it couldn't have been carried out by C.S.U.
I know it won't do much good in the long run (particularly to my chances of getting an Xmas card from the D.I.) but I felt so much better once I'd pressed "enter".
I was shocked! What had he done? Beaten the confession out of the suspect?
No, he'd forgotten to tick a little box that said he'd updated the victim. Even though he'd done a half page update on the crime about how he'd updated the victim.
Clearly too much to expect the C.S.U. to tick said box?
So I spent half an hour crafting a wonderfully theraputic email to the C.S.U. and copied in our Inspector and their D.I. The email pointed out that, whilst they clearly have plenty of time on their hands we don't. So the officer won't be ticking their box for them and that, in future, I wanted any such requests to come through me with an explanation as to why it couldn't have been carried out by C.S.U.
I know it won't do much good in the long run (particularly to my chances of getting an Xmas card from the D.I.) but I felt so much better once I'd pressed "enter".
Although what is worse now is on the crime reporting system they grade the report as green=good amber=not too good and red= as no good. I cant beleive this next i will get a gold star for a good report!!! and the sack for a bad one (proberbly)
# posted by : 3:42 PM, May 16, 2007
: 3:42 PM, May 16, 2007
Stops form is a form police fill in after they have searched you for your records as well as the pen pushers in whitehall. Also it gets filled in after you stop someone and ask "what you doing" or "where have you been". Just another waste of a police officers time and effort
# posted by : 3:44 PM, May 16, 2007
: 3:44 PM, May 16, 2007
The new stop forms are a disaster sadly. They have great potential, but when you are getting forms bounced back to you because you have not ticked 'driver' or 'on foot' for a 12 year old, something is going wrong.
Yes, this did happen.
Yes, this did happen.
# posted by : 5:17 PM, May 16, 2007
: 5:17 PM, May 16, 2007
I had a lovely one a few years back off PNC. I filled in a form(CID 127) describing the detainee's eyes as brown. It was returned to me via snot-o-gram with a note saying that I should change the eye colour to "hazel" - as this was listed on PNC. Via e-mail I refused. Then I shredded the form. After all, what are they going to do, put me on core response as punishment?!
Core officers MUST realise that we are there to support hard working office bound types. They don't want to work 9-5, have weekends, and bank holidays off and never have to deal with any confrontation but by Jingo some one has to!
That force in the north of England has 1650 officers, only 650 of whom are frontline. HMI stated those 650 do 90% of the work. The rest? Well they're all hiding up at HQ furthering their careers.
Core officers MUST realise that we are there to support hard working office bound types. They don't want to work 9-5, have weekends, and bank holidays off and never have to deal with any confrontation but by Jingo some one has to!
That force in the north of England has 1650 officers, only 650 of whom are frontline. HMI stated those 650 do 90% of the work. The rest? Well they're all hiding up at HQ furthering their careers.
# posted by : 6:03 PM, May 16, 2007
: 6:03 PM, May 16, 2007
My advice - when forms with nonsense items accidentally left off that some jobsworth could have easily completed are sent back to you for completion - shred them then deny ever receiving said document. That was what I used to do, always made me feel good.
# posted by : 7:02 PM, May 16, 2007
: 7:02 PM, May 16, 2007
Stop search forms are a policing tool that have been hi-jacked as a management tool.
In the old days when PC Ventris kept Aidensfield safe - he put a stop search in for Greengrass at 2am near to Lord Ashfordlys estate.
The following morning PC Rowan, investigating Lord Ashfordlys theft of pheasants would see the previous nights stop searches and be right round to Greengrasses house - Greengrass would have the job.
Now it is used to check PC Ventris is working on nights stopping people - and stopping his fair quota of blacks, asians and whites. A whole industry putting pins in maps is born to process the information.
AndI was there at 2am but not me guv - prove it".
In the old days when PC Ventris kept Aidensfield safe - he put a stop search in for Greengrass at 2am near to Lord Ashfordlys estate.
The following morning PC Rowan, investigating Lord Ashfordlys theft of pheasants would see the previous nights stop searches and be right round to Greengrasses house - Greengrass would have the job.
Now it is used to check PC Ventris is working on nights stopping people - and stopping his fair quota of blacks, asians and whites. A whole industry putting pins in maps is born to process the information.
AndI was there at 2am but not me guv - prove it".
# posted by : 7:03 PM, May 16, 2007
: 7:03 PM, May 16, 2007
Make it work for you rself
I take my time carefully filling in each and evry stop form explaining to young "fella my lad" that it's their right and they should insist on one every time.
Result= refused details turns in to good intel. Wastes their time, not mine. (15 mins filling in stop account form saves me going to the next SH!T job) and I still get paid the same. And always dish out loads of forms to IC1's because, I am white, male, middle aged a police officer and there fore a racist (even though my wife is black and my kids are mixed race, that's not in the script). So when the dark side tot up the figures the overwhelming number of stops to my name are ic1's. Statistics never, ever, ever in a million years lie. it's how you put them together
I take my time carefully filling in each and evry stop form explaining to young "fella my lad" that it's their right and they should insist on one every time.
Result= refused details turns in to good intel. Wastes their time, not mine. (15 mins filling in stop account form saves me going to the next SH!T job) and I still get paid the same. And always dish out loads of forms to IC1's because, I am white, male, middle aged a police officer and there fore a racist (even though my wife is black and my kids are mixed race, that's not in the script). So when the dark side tot up the figures the overwhelming number of stops to my name are ic1's. Statistics never, ever, ever in a million years lie. it's how you put them together
# posted by : 7:50 PM, May 16, 2007
: 7:50 PM, May 16, 2007
off subject I know....but that's never stopped me in the past
anyone got an update on the Toni Cromer affair.
Well over 2 months now...older than any of my crimes.
I don't suppose ipcc have crime monitoring unit like the rest of us
anyone got an update on the Toni Cromer affair.
Well over 2 months now...older than any of my crimes.
I don't suppose ipcc have crime monitoring unit like the rest of us
# posted by : 8:12 PM, May 16, 2007
: 8:12 PM, May 16, 2007
A police officer is assaulted every 20 minutes
He must be getting fed up by now?!?
He must be getting fed up by now?!?
# posted by : 9:25 PM, May 16, 2007
: 9:25 PM, May 16, 2007
This post MUST be someone from my force! Can there be more than one force that scan in these pathetic forms ... of course there can - As soon as a stupid idea gets implemented into one force others forces immediately follow suit!
I need a new career!!!
I need a new career!!!
# posted by : 10:05 PM, May 16, 2007
: 10:05 PM, May 16, 2007
Retired and glad of it. Guys and gals I feel for your situation. Believe me when I tell you that public opinion is changing.The public do support you and are sick of this government and home office PC clap trap.Hold on, when you reach the bottom things can only get better.
# posted by : 10:20 PM, May 16, 2007
: 10:20 PM, May 16, 2007
what a waste of f*in time, photocopy scan etc which idiot in your dream factory thought this load of tosh up??
Our search forms go to sargey who then in turn puts them into the Intel Units pigeon hole and then that goes off to our HQ to be inputted onto the computer. We get a tick for PI search - job done.
I must admit though when taking alcohol off of 20youths and sending them on their way I dont take names or give out forms or I would never get around my beat in an evening on foot. If I recognise them as sh*ts I will put in an intel form and if they are being little scamps they get emptied upside down and then they get a search form.
Sick of PC PC
Why are we asking for feedback from persons we stop?? Is this just another office waller in the dream factory wanting something to collate??
Why complete a stop form as well as an intel, dont you just complete the reverse of the form with all the details?? That form will be inputted and will come up on the system against the persons name.
Again its Lions led by donkeys!!
Our search forms go to sargey who then in turn puts them into the Intel Units pigeon hole and then that goes off to our HQ to be inputted onto the computer. We get a tick for PI search - job done.
I must admit though when taking alcohol off of 20youths and sending them on their way I dont take names or give out forms or I would never get around my beat in an evening on foot. If I recognise them as sh*ts I will put in an intel form and if they are being little scamps they get emptied upside down and then they get a search form.
Sick of PC PC
Why are we asking for feedback from persons we stop?? Is this just another office waller in the dream factory wanting something to collate??
Why complete a stop form as well as an intel, dont you just complete the reverse of the form with all the details?? That form will be inputted and will come up on the system against the persons name.
Again its Lions led by donkeys!!
Could we have a reply from someone at Chief Insp level (or above) or maybe even from the Home Office saying why all this insane bureacracy IS a good idea? Come on bosses and H.O., we know you read this blog. You're too scared of the truth to ignore it.....
# posted by : 11:44 PM, May 16, 2007
: 11:44 PM, May 16, 2007
Typical government; the paperwork and the appearance of action is more important than getting anything done.
If I hear "Committee" or "policy analysis" one more time i'm going to puke.
If I hear "Committee" or "policy analysis" one more time i'm going to puke.
Oh dear PC David Copperfield....My heart goes out to you and all officers having to deal with this sort of nonsense. I am convinced that it is a conspiracy to drive you all totally NUTS!
However, there is some good news. No, not that Herr Gordo is now the dictator. On the ITV news the day Tony said his goodbye, they had someone, ex chair of ACPO I think, confirming that you folks are having to tick an awful lot of boxes. That's progress. Then the Fed Rep in Blackpool took issue with all the Home Office driven paperwork which is keeping you off the streets. Progress!
sleepwalker
However, there is some good news. No, not that Herr Gordo is now the dictator. On the ITV news the day Tony said his goodbye, they had someone, ex chair of ACPO I think, confirming that you folks are having to tick an awful lot of boxes. That's progress. Then the Fed Rep in Blackpool took issue with all the Home Office driven paperwork which is keeping you off the streets. Progress!
sleepwalker
# posted by : 11:47 PM, May 16, 2007
: 11:47 PM, May 16, 2007
"Could we have a reply from someone at Chief Insp level (or above) or maybe even from the Home Office saying why all this insane bureacracy IS a good idea? Come on bosses and H.O., we know you read this blog. You're too scared of the truth to ignore it...."
But ignore it they will. They have bought into the get myself promoted if I serve my masters (masons?!?) philosophy. Utter wasters all of them.
But ignore it they will. They have bought into the get myself promoted if I serve my masters (masons?!?) philosophy. Utter wasters all of them.
# posted by : 2:07 AM, May 17, 2007
: 2:07 AM, May 17, 2007
I can't believe more hasn't been made of this story (from yesterday's Telegraph, but in all papers I think):
Police spent months gathering statements from 542 people who donated money to a youngster who collected £700 for Comic Relief but then kept it.
The case was then recorded as 542 crimes of obtaining money by deception, boosting detection rates even though the youngster only received a warning, the Police Federation conference in Blackpool heard yesterday.
Says it all, in a tiny little nutshell.
Police spent months gathering statements from 542 people who donated money to a youngster who collected £700 for Comic Relief but then kept it.
The case was then recorded as 542 crimes of obtaining money by deception, boosting detection rates even though the youngster only received a warning, the Police Federation conference in Blackpool heard yesterday.
Says it all, in a tiny little nutshell.
# posted by : 9:35 AM, May 17, 2007
: 9:35 AM, May 17, 2007
Sick of PC PC
Why are we asking for feedback from persons we stop?? Is this just another office waller in the dream factory wanting something to collate??
Well I wish I could tell you the reason we are doing this but it is going on. I 100% promise the text pilot scheme for slag isn't a wind up. It lasted a few months but they didn't get many replies form our 'customers' as to how well they have been treated.
The reason is two fold I think.
1. Any reasonable person accepts that they have been stopped for a reason and just gets on with life.
2. Any slag you stop who feels aggrieved about the 'victimization' hasn't got the intelligence to form a proper opinion let alone text a number to give feed back on my stop. It would only interfere with them texting into a super difficult Richard and Judy question anyhow.
Also the fact that we told them that when they text their phones details and their whereabouts would be logged. Total rubbish of course but the half wits believed it......
Why are we asking for feedback from persons we stop?? Is this just another office waller in the dream factory wanting something to collate??
Well I wish I could tell you the reason we are doing this but it is going on. I 100% promise the text pilot scheme for slag isn't a wind up. It lasted a few months but they didn't get many replies form our 'customers' as to how well they have been treated.
The reason is two fold I think.
1. Any reasonable person accepts that they have been stopped for a reason and just gets on with life.
2. Any slag you stop who feels aggrieved about the 'victimization' hasn't got the intelligence to form a proper opinion let alone text a number to give feed back on my stop. It would only interfere with them texting into a super difficult Richard and Judy question anyhow.
Also the fact that we told them that when they text their phones details and their whereabouts would be logged. Total rubbish of course but the half wits believed it......
Last one turn out the lights!!!!! leave it to the small weak 4"9 girly PCSO's or the other sort who no one can understand on the radio!! it's ALL gone BADLY pear shaped!! it's chaos.
# posted by : 2:50 PM, May 17, 2007
: 2:50 PM, May 17, 2007
Well I wish I didn't have to bother with stop forms either but sadly its now a performance indicator so the more the better.....
Slightly off topic but not a million miles off is the PC at my Nick that has just been turned down for transfer to another department because he has the best figures on team for bodies and stops. The teams figures would be effected without him so he has been blocked where as the lazy office bound peeps are getting there pick of posts... Genius man management.
Slightly off topic but not a million miles off is the PC at my Nick that has just been turned down for transfer to another department because he has the best figures on team for bodies and stops. The teams figures would be effected without him so he has been blocked where as the lazy office bound peeps are getting there pick of posts... Genius man management.
could this possibly be hampshire. We have the new forms seperate ones now for stop and account hort1 etc whereas before they were all the same form. Y ou are only allowed to put one letter in each box and they are hard to read at night.A funny thing happens though if the form is not completed properly ie if one of the letters falls outside the box you get a nice e mail from a the cyclops mail box i mean sounds very science fiction telling you to complete the from properly you are then presented with a copy of your form on screen which you have to ammend. Its so hard to ammend that its easier to press the delete button and forget about it. Im sure someone will get a commendation out of it
# posted by : 6:14 PM, May 17, 2007
: 6:14 PM, May 17, 2007
I submitted an RTC report last Nov, but recently got a winge-o-gram from RPU admin. They asked where the report was as it was past the 72hrs deadline! I explained I had completed it and posted it via internal mail as instructed, a mere 6 hrs after the RTC. I then got a stronger email, cc'ed to my supervisor, asking 'why didn't you let us know when the report failed to arrive'!!!
It seems only hand delivery will satisfy some people.!
It seems only hand delivery will satisfy some people.!
# posted by : 7:20 PM, May 17, 2007
: 7:20 PM, May 17, 2007
Paperwork & ridiculous scenarios (above) are Bourne from civilian staff coming up with great ideas to make their lives easier & telling bosses
“hey I’ve got a great idea on how to reduce bureaucracy & save money sir”!
“oh have you, well I would be jolly keen to hear it then, super duper member of staff that doesn’t wear a uniform or work nights & gets every weekend off with no risk to your personal safety, ps your doing a great job thanks, let me know if you need anything”
You see most of the rubbish we have to do used to be done by others. Support staff etc. & some of the rubbish is invented by the “this weeks idea team” (who incidentally don’t work nights or weekends).
& in order to make their ideas work, the tasks that they don’t want to perform have to be carried out by someone.
Yes you guessed it. The front line patrol bobby (who incidentally does work nights & weekends)
IN MY OWN personal opinion patrol bobby’s are carrying out many tasks which they shouldn’t be doing.
Patrol bobby: “boss I am drowning here, I’ve got too much to do, I haven’t finished on time for a month, I am gonna get in bother. My wife’s had enough, I need a lift with my work load”
“stop being negative, you can leave you know. Now stop snivelling & get back to work”.
I could be wrong. I know I am cynical, but it doesn’t explain the fact, that right or wrong the job does not let the front line troops know they are valued. & considering that our employers are supposed to be diverse to the max, saint diversity even. They don’t throw any diversity towards the minority of troops that do the majority of the work.
“hey I’ve got a great idea on how to reduce bureaucracy & save money sir”!
“oh have you, well I would be jolly keen to hear it then, super duper member of staff that doesn’t wear a uniform or work nights & gets every weekend off with no risk to your personal safety, ps your doing a great job thanks, let me know if you need anything”
You see most of the rubbish we have to do used to be done by others. Support staff etc. & some of the rubbish is invented by the “this weeks idea team” (who incidentally don’t work nights or weekends).
& in order to make their ideas work, the tasks that they don’t want to perform have to be carried out by someone.
Yes you guessed it. The front line patrol bobby (who incidentally does work nights & weekends)
IN MY OWN personal opinion patrol bobby’s are carrying out many tasks which they shouldn’t be doing.
Patrol bobby: “boss I am drowning here, I’ve got too much to do, I haven’t finished on time for a month, I am gonna get in bother. My wife’s had enough, I need a lift with my work load”
“stop being negative, you can leave you know. Now stop snivelling & get back to work”.
I could be wrong. I know I am cynical, but it doesn’t explain the fact, that right or wrong the job does not let the front line troops know they are valued. & considering that our employers are supposed to be diverse to the max, saint diversity even. They don’t throw any diversity towards the minority of troops that do the majority of the work.
If you write each charecter in its box at about a 45 degree angle the scanner won't read them and they will all bounce but you cansay that you have complied witht he instructions. Its pety but slightly amusing.
# posted by : 11:32 PM, May 17, 2007
: 11:32 PM, May 17, 2007
This has to be Hertfordshire constabulary, always loads of crap ideas.
Also to the chief sup who above used the term 'darkies"......you pratt!
Also to the chief sup who above used the term 'darkies"......you pratt!
# posted by : 2:47 AM, May 18, 2007
: 2:47 AM, May 18, 2007
anon 1.47am (above):
i very much doubt that is a real ch supt. just some tosser who has linked to a nick where he has a grievance.
i very much doubt that is a real ch supt. just some tosser who has linked to a nick where he has a grievance.
# posted by : 9:12 AM, May 18, 2007
: 9:12 AM, May 18, 2007
I stopped 5 'customers' from nearby big city in our rural area in early hours of this motning out 'lamping' - "of course you are sir". pace 1'd and all demanded forms as they were collecting them on their travels. the stop took 10 minutes and the form -filling 20. i was single-crewed and nearest back-up took 20 minutes away. it's not made better when rambo look-alike is asking me if it's dangerous being on my own in the middle of nowhere and shouldn't i be wearing my stab-vest! thank heavens for the protective shield given off by my biro.
# posted by : 12:09 PM, May 18, 2007
: 12:09 PM, May 18, 2007
Completely off topic, but contributors here may be interested in this discussion concerning the polis, Lara Cruft and a plastic toy.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/17/lara_croft_bust/comments/
Enjoy !
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/17/lara_croft_bust/comments/
Enjoy !
# posted by : 2:17 PM, May 18, 2007
: 2:17 PM, May 18, 2007
Oh Bother, the url again:
http://www.theregister.co.uk
/2007/05/17/
lara_croft_bust/comments/
http://www.theregister.co.uk
/2007/05/17/
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# posted by : 2:20 PM, May 18, 2007
: 2:20 PM, May 18, 2007
A little off-topic, but I notice that today, our 'lovable' (corrupt) politicians have exempted themselves from the Freedom of Information Act ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6667431.stm ).
While the police and other institutions are subject to this law, our politicians have put themselves above the law.
So, before they put themselves above every other law, please Yates of the Yard and every other police officer - do society a huge favour and go get these scumbags...
While the police and other institutions are subject to this law, our politicians have put themselves above the law.
So, before they put themselves above every other law, please Yates of the Yard and every other police officer - do society a huge favour and go get these scumbags...
# posted by : 12:26 AM, May 19, 2007
: 12:26 AM, May 19, 2007
I always thought Politicians should be made to complete "stop speak" forms everytime they spoke to their parishoners.
You know - time date name address ethnicity and subject discussed.
We could then produce performance statistics and tables on how often the Politicians spoke to their parishoners.
We could have a league table of which MP actually tries to speak to his constituents.
We could produce maps of where one is more likely to encounter a politician (other than the Westminster bar).
We could ensure that Politicians speak to a fair representation ethnicially of their constituents - and don't ignore any ethnic group.
Obviously the idea would be intensely bureaucratic - require reams of people in Offices to collate the information - and take up a huge amount of the Politicians time....
but hey...
Welcome to my world !
From Ricky G
You know - time date name address ethnicity and subject discussed.
We could then produce performance statistics and tables on how often the Politicians spoke to their parishoners.
We could have a league table of which MP actually tries to speak to his constituents.
We could produce maps of where one is more likely to encounter a politician (other than the Westminster bar).
We could ensure that Politicians speak to a fair representation ethnicially of their constituents - and don't ignore any ethnic group.
Obviously the idea would be intensely bureaucratic - require reams of people in Offices to collate the information - and take up a huge amount of the Politicians time....
but hey...
Welcome to my world !
From Ricky G
# posted by : 3:47 PM, May 19, 2007
: 3:47 PM, May 19, 2007
A true story.
Many years ago I ran foul of the admin section because I had put my initials in front of my surname. They happen to be P.C. I was hauled before my Superintendent in the presence the Admin Inspector and was delighted to witness said Inspector being questioned as to the purpose of his existence on the planet. Sadly such senior officers seem to be non-existent today as the overwhelming evidence of these blogs show.
Many years ago I ran foul of the admin section because I had put my initials in front of my surname. They happen to be P.C. I was hauled before my Superintendent in the presence the Admin Inspector and was delighted to witness said Inspector being questioned as to the purpose of his existence on the planet. Sadly such senior officers seem to be non-existent today as the overwhelming evidence of these blogs show.
Talking of senior officers, it was very refreshing to see a senior officer express his concern over the surveillance society that we now live in (he calls it 'Orwellian'):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6673579.stm
While it seems that the vast majority of senior officers are spineless, it seems that there are some who remember that they are there to protect the law-abiding public and not oppress it.
(I don't believe the vast majority of front-line officers have ever forgotten this, in spite of the ever more repressive measure from govt).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6673579.stm
While it seems that the vast majority of senior officers are spineless, it seems that there are some who remember that they are there to protect the law-abiding public and not oppress it.
(I don't believe the vast majority of front-line officers have ever forgotten this, in spite of the ever more repressive measure from govt).
# posted by : 1:36 PM, May 20, 2007
: 1:36 PM, May 20, 2007
Calm down....calm down....its gonna be alright, all be sorted soon, the MET have got it all in hand:
Fantastic news about Police Bureacracy - only the MET I suppose, but this time the MPA are right on the ball! Great article
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/20/npolice20.xml
Fantastic news about Police Bureacracy - only the MET I suppose, but this time the MPA are right on the ball! Great article
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/20/npolice20.xml
Nice headline in the Times today:
'Secret plans to turn staff into police informers':
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article1816772.ece
Yes, we are now progressing from a surveillance society to an eventual full-blown police-state.
Any such claim a few years ago would have ridiculous, but now, under this government, it is no longer ridiculous...
'Secret plans to turn staff into police informers':
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article1816772.ece
Yes, we are now progressing from a surveillance society to an eventual full-blown police-state.
Any such claim a few years ago would have ridiculous, but now, under this government, it is no longer ridiculous...
# posted by : 12:26 AM, May 21, 2007
: 12:26 AM, May 21, 2007
It's nice to see that someone like the poster QC above gets about accusing people like me of racism. Be weary of this contributor’s comments. I doubt the individual is a police officer, but I do believe they have an agenda.
Don't shoot the messenger here, the stop form came in because there was and still is a belief that we disproportionately stop Black people. I have not met anyone that I know of doing that, not deliberately. But our predecessors did, and that’s our problem, we are dealing with the sins of the 1980’s.
I have to say, the statistics to me mean little. I feel the statistics are not clear-cut. If there is a problem with an individual acting disproportionately then it is matter for the Sergeant to resolve. Will this paper trail help? I don't know. My heart tells me the stop form is not the answer.
Don't shoot the messenger here, the stop form came in because there was and still is a belief that we disproportionately stop Black people. I have not met anyone that I know of doing that, not deliberately. But our predecessors did, and that’s our problem, we are dealing with the sins of the 1980’s.
I have to say, the statistics to me mean little. I feel the statistics are not clear-cut. If there is a problem with an individual acting disproportionately then it is matter for the Sergeant to resolve. Will this paper trail help? I don't know. My heart tells me the stop form is not the answer.
Re that front page headline in the Times today about doctors/other snooping for the police, it will be interesting to see whether nulabour specify targets for reporting people.
If they do then doctors/others will probably have no choice but to point the finger at almost anyone in order to meet their performance targets (and ensure that they don't get sacked).
And, in that case, I wouldn't be too outrageous to believe that you, I, the local vicar, or even the local PC might be put under intensive 'preventative' surveillance or perhaps even be subject to 'preventative' detention.
Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence?
I guess, at least, we can console ourselves that the ideologue/fanatic-in-chief (Mr.Blair) will be gone in a month. What hope for Mr.Brown, I wonder?
If they do then doctors/others will probably have no choice but to point the finger at almost anyone in order to meet their performance targets (and ensure that they don't get sacked).
And, in that case, I wouldn't be too outrageous to believe that you, I, the local vicar, or even the local PC might be put under intensive 'preventative' surveillance or perhaps even be subject to 'preventative' detention.
Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence?
I guess, at least, we can console ourselves that the ideologue/fanatic-in-chief (Mr.Blair) will be gone in a month. What hope for Mr.Brown, I wonder?
# posted by : 3:29 PM, May 21, 2007
: 3:29 PM, May 21, 2007
Mmmm hidden agendas - I recently stop/searched five males - one of which was ethnic - all the others were W1 and between them all had a combined IQ of 2!
The funny thing is that ALL of the forms went in with the identical info for reason for search etc. None of the males knew their postcodes and the only real difference was the ethnic code on the one.
I found it quite funny when I only had the one record back because the information was "insufficant" - and yes youv'e guessed it - it was the ethnic stop that came back!!
Rural Traffic Cop.
The funny thing is that ALL of the forms went in with the identical info for reason for search etc. None of the males knew their postcodes and the only real difference was the ethnic code on the one.
I found it quite funny when I only had the one record back because the information was "insufficant" - and yes youv'e guessed it - it was the ethnic stop that came back!!
Rural Traffic Cop.
# posted by : 6:39 PM, May 21, 2007
: 6:39 PM, May 21, 2007
Our force seems to have recently been subject to a mass exodus to foreign forces...is it any bloody wonder!!!!
Will anyone in the puzzle palaces that run the home office government and other tax paid offices ever stop and wonder why? it can't all be down to sunnier clines can it?
Will anyone in the puzzle palaces that run the home office government and other tax paid offices ever stop and wonder why? it can't all be down to sunnier clines can it?
# posted by : 1:39 AM, May 22, 2007
: 1:39 AM, May 22, 2007
Just come accross this blog, fascinating!
Tell me, who's policing who with all the forms?? Its an amazing insight to what you actually do, btw, I am not Uk resident, am comparing this to what I know of the police here in Spain, who are a law unto themselves, but that's another story"
I see the UK police on the TV and cannot believe just how patient and correct your approach to people is, here we have the opposite, so while you may not agree with much that you have to endure, its far better that being the threatening nazi's we have here!
Tell me, who's policing who with all the forms?? Its an amazing insight to what you actually do, btw, I am not Uk resident, am comparing this to what I know of the police here in Spain, who are a law unto themselves, but that's another story"
I see the UK police on the TV and cannot believe just how patient and correct your approach to people is, here we have the opposite, so while you may not agree with much that you have to endure, its far better that being the threatening nazi's we have here!
Well, I haven't got a clue about these police paperwork/forms, so instead I just wondered whether anyone had seen the news today that the judiciary and the Lord Chief Justice are very concerned that their independence will be undermined by the new Ministry of Justice:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6681579.stm
What a surprise - NuLabour comes up with yet another hair-brained scheme, and goes ahead with it without regard for the potentially disastrous consequences.
Think, for hundreds of years, British people were subject to the arbitrary 'justice' of the monarch. Then we got an independent judiciary, and whatever the failings of that judiciary, we all at least knew that justice was independent.
But now, we'll potentially again be subject to the 'justice' of a new (Nu-Labour) monarch - yeeees, dear old Gordon...Or Joseph (Stalin) to his friends...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6681579.stm
What a surprise - NuLabour comes up with yet another hair-brained scheme, and goes ahead with it without regard for the potentially disastrous consequences.
Think, for hundreds of years, British people were subject to the arbitrary 'justice' of the monarch. Then we got an independent judiciary, and whatever the failings of that judiciary, we all at least knew that justice was independent.
But now, we'll potentially again be subject to the 'justice' of a new (Nu-Labour) monarch - yeeees, dear old Gordon...Or Joseph (Stalin) to his friends...
# posted by : 8:39 PM, May 22, 2007
: 8:39 PM, May 22, 2007
Bit on the political side, but with all the corupt goings on in Government and now they excempt themselves from the infomation act to hide their greed and perk filled life style. How about a national call for everyone to boycott the general election. If no one turned out to vote it would be the start of a peaceful revolution untill wanabe politicans toe the line. They give themselves over inflated pay rises, disregare the laws we all are subject to and soak up vast amounts of public money. Only a thought....
# posted by : 10:30 PM, May 22, 2007
: 10:30 PM, May 22, 2007
Bl**dy heck, another senior officer with a bit of spine -
the Chief constable of Sussex appeared on the Jeremy Vine radio show and said:
"I joined a force that was there to serve the public, and now I'm close to retirement I don't want to see us used as a tool of a draconian government"
Can be heard here (I think it was Tuesday's show):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/vine/
the Chief constable of Sussex appeared on the Jeremy Vine radio show and said:
"I joined a force that was there to serve the public, and now I'm close to retirement I don't want to see us used as a tool of a draconian government"
Can be heard here (I think it was Tuesday's show):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/vine/
# posted by : 12:06 AM, May 23, 2007
: 12:06 AM, May 23, 2007
Sorry, re my post above - I think it was the Chief Constable of Suffolk (not Sussex) - quote from Jeremy Vine web page:
"The Chief Constable of Suffolk Police has called for a public debate into the erosion of our civil liberties, and has criticised the government's plans to introduce ID cards."
Just had to clear that up - don't want the *undeserving* (spineless) senior officer getting a reputation for having spine!
"The Chief Constable of Suffolk Police has called for a public debate into the erosion of our civil liberties, and has criticised the government's plans to introduce ID cards."
Just had to clear that up - don't want the *undeserving* (spineless) senior officer getting a reputation for having spine!
# posted by : 12:13 AM, May 23, 2007
: 12:13 AM, May 23, 2007
NO NEW POSTS AGAIN, I SEE. NOTHING, NOT EVEN ANYTHING BY MIKE!
OFF TO GADGETS BLOGG. BYE
OFF TO GADGETS BLOGG. BYE
# posted by : 1:26 AM, May 23, 2007
: 1:26 AM, May 23, 2007
Anon @12.26am....bye then ....don't get the hump!
Perhaps that Steve Dann person, real or otherwise, was speaking a grain of truth as to why "you lot" have to put up with all this oppressive monitoring. The bad old days were BAD....abuses of power etc. Seems like you're being punished for the "sins of the fathers". Trouble is that the "power" has been handed to the council's and to doctors. They now think that they can do as they like and say what they like about people. They cannot be challenged and NOBODY keeps THEM properly in check. It has all gone FUBAR and enough is enough. Fingers crossed for some timely intervention by a super hero in the service of HM The Queen. She [and we] deserve better than this corrupt bunch of tw*ts in government. Nulab and Tories! Pigs at the trough.
Perhaps that Steve Dann person, real or otherwise, was speaking a grain of truth as to why "you lot" have to put up with all this oppressive monitoring. The bad old days were BAD....abuses of power etc. Seems like you're being punished for the "sins of the fathers". Trouble is that the "power" has been handed to the council's and to doctors. They now think that they can do as they like and say what they like about people. They cannot be challenged and NOBODY keeps THEM properly in check. It has all gone FUBAR and enough is enough. Fingers crossed for some timely intervention by a super hero in the service of HM The Queen. She [and we] deserve better than this corrupt bunch of tw*ts in government. Nulab and Tories! Pigs at the trough.
# posted by : 2:01 AM, May 23, 2007
: 2:01 AM, May 23, 2007
I've just had this awful idea for reducing the size of the prison population, the amount of crime, and the amount of paperwork that goes with it.
I guess someone else had the same idea before me too, but when will anyone have the balls to carry it through?
I guess someone else had the same idea before me too, but when will anyone have the balls to carry it through?
You are all racist, sexist and homophobic and we don't rust any of you. I celebrate the opportunity each form provides to ensure that black men and women, women generally and gay people are not unfairly targeted or picked on. For example for Gay staff the levels of intolerance that they experience is parallel at times to the ‘McCarthyism’ period of post war North America at times.
You should rejoice that this will allow us to put an end to all this and we must have a vision to aim for that the majority may consider as aspirational we will not fulfil our potential and things only change after crisis rather than evolve in a more ethical manner.
You should rejoice that this will allow us to put an end to all this and we must have a vision to aim for that the majority may consider as aspirational we will not fulfil our potential and things only change after crisis rather than evolve in a more ethical manner.
Hey Serendib - WTF are you on - lets hope that your house doesn't get burgled, your car stolen or heaven forbid, raped!
You have clearly had a bad experience with one officer - probably whilst on a protest march to stop cruelty to ants!
Dont tar us ALL with the same brush and if you have nothing constructive to say then go away in short sharp jurky movements!
Rural Traffic Cop.
You have clearly had a bad experience with one officer - probably whilst on a protest march to stop cruelty to ants!
Dont tar us ALL with the same brush and if you have nothing constructive to say then go away in short sharp jurky movements!
Rural Traffic Cop.
# posted by : 1:58 PM, May 24, 2007
: 1:58 PM, May 24, 2007
Why are we now using the word "Customer"? It implies that the F**kwits we deal with on a day to day basis actually pay for the service that we provide, and that they have a choice of "service providers." What a load of bollo*ks. I mean, they are "scrotes" or "sh*ts" or "suspects" or "slags", not customers.
# posted by : 11:40 PM, May 24, 2007
: 11:40 PM, May 24, 2007
Serendib you are a judgemental, opinionated idiot. "McCarthyism?" Get a decent grasp of history before casually using such a term. We here are not the ill-educated sheep you are obviously using to holding court over.
Your second paragraph is a mess of bad syntax. "Rejoice" "aspirational" "potential" are all grand words that I'm sure go a long way in your world. But in the real world, you and your words are shallow, vague nothings that have no meaning but aggressive posturing.
My brother is a copper, I know from him how hard the job is. Do you know anything about the job other than what your ill-informed opinion lets you think you know?
You and your kind disgust me and are the main thing wrong with our society today. You are false but cover it with opinionated ranting. You can bullshit for Britain......but nothing else.
Your second paragraph is a mess of bad syntax. "Rejoice" "aspirational" "potential" are all grand words that I'm sure go a long way in your world. But in the real world, you and your words are shallow, vague nothings that have no meaning but aggressive posturing.
My brother is a copper, I know from him how hard the job is. Do you know anything about the job other than what your ill-informed opinion lets you think you know?
You and your kind disgust me and are the main thing wrong with our society today. You are false but cover it with opinionated ranting. You can bullshit for Britain......but nothing else.
# posted by : 12:43 AM, May 25, 2007
: 12:43 AM, May 25, 2007
It is ironic that at the recent annual Police Federation of England and Wales Conference, David 'Friend to all' Cameron stated that he wants to get rid of the recording of stop and searches as they are presently conducted.
The Service seems not to have listened to the lessons of history as yet and changes its somewhat biased ways! Perhaps this perceived desire to reduce bureaucracy is more about winning new friends rather than improving the quality of service that is given to the public?
No matter what it seems to happen, perhaps to some within the Police as well as wider society it is more important that the Police adopts the mantra of 'Carry on Regardless' rather than realise that times have changed and this calls for a new approach to tackling crime and developing social and community cohesion. Was the death of Stephen Lawrence, Ricki Reel and so many others in vain? Serendib
The Service seems not to have listened to the lessons of history as yet and changes its somewhat biased ways! Perhaps this perceived desire to reduce bureaucracy is more about winning new friends rather than improving the quality of service that is given to the public?
No matter what it seems to happen, perhaps to some within the Police as well as wider society it is more important that the Police adopts the mantra of 'Carry on Regardless' rather than realise that times have changed and this calls for a new approach to tackling crime and developing social and community cohesion. Was the death of Stephen Lawrence, Ricki Reel and so many others in vain? Serendib
I also have my own blog, but use my good friend Twining's blog as well.
http://manyanddifferent.blogspot.com/2007/05/living-in-fear-of-saracen-hordes.html
You may this article interesting
http://manyanddifferent.blogspot.com/2007/05/living-in-fear-of-saracen-hordes.html
You may this article interesting
Two things, firstly, I am not sure that Serendib would say, "you are all racist, etc." These are not his words.
Secondly, I have had someone already put an item in my name on Inspector G's blog, and it wasn't me that put it there.
I believe some of what has been put here is not by Serendib. Certainly Serendib would not say he has his own blog and also comments on mine. He may have some valid points but he would not resort to any abuse.
Secondly, I have had someone already put an item in my name on Inspector G's blog, and it wasn't me that put it there.
I believe some of what has been put here is not by Serendib. Certainly Serendib would not say he has his own blog and also comments on mine. He may have some valid points but he would not resort to any abuse.
and the point hardly needs to be further made that serendip is utterly clueless but Cameron made no such remark about stop SEARCH forms, as you would know if you took the time to look in to it....
if you need any more basic guidance don't hesitate to come back and ask for help! Cheerio!
if you need any more basic guidance don't hesitate to come back and ask for help! Cheerio!
# posted by : 7:25 PM, June 03, 2007
: 7:25 PM, June 03, 2007
What a fantastic blog!
As an ex PCSO, we were expected to check out drug users/dealers and submit the stop forms. I NEVER submitted any at all during my short service at SYP. NO WAY was I, as a lowly PCSO, with NO PPE going to put myself in a position of questioning the mentioned individuals (What if they kicked off?) when we were supposed to be dealing with anti social issues? Besides, wouldn't a police officer be better off dealing with these undesirables, but then again, they were all in the nick filling forms in!
It appeared to me that even the PCSO's were expected to contribute to the "figures" This included entering very young kids onto the police database (Via ASB letters) For such disgusting crimes as playing football in the street and sitting on walls talking because they have nothing else to do, but local residents took exception to this "behaviour"
What a brilliant job, NOT. Am I glad I got out and became a HGV driver!
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As an ex PCSO, we were expected to check out drug users/dealers and submit the stop forms. I NEVER submitted any at all during my short service at SYP. NO WAY was I, as a lowly PCSO, with NO PPE going to put myself in a position of questioning the mentioned individuals (What if they kicked off?) when we were supposed to be dealing with anti social issues? Besides, wouldn't a police officer be better off dealing with these undesirables, but then again, they were all in the nick filling forms in!
It appeared to me that even the PCSO's were expected to contribute to the "figures" This included entering very young kids onto the police database (Via ASB letters) For such disgusting crimes as playing football in the street and sitting on walls talking because they have nothing else to do, but local residents took exception to this "behaviour"
What a brilliant job, NOT. Am I glad I got out and became a HGV driver!
# posted by : 11:35 PM, October 20, 2007
: 11:35 PM, October 20, 2007
